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i have thought about it myself before as some people i know use turntables and cd decks and it looks mor eequipment and more "dj looking" as they say, but realy we are not just basic disco dj`s who crossfade the song right at the end into another just so there isnt a gap. I still mix properly and get the beat right and crossfade the song on the right drop. I know we can all see what we doing on the screen aka pitch control and the tracks but apart from that its still the same. i in the past have turned off the montior and still been able to use the jogwheels and loops to drop a tune normaly at the end of the day the audience is infront of the speakers not behind so they are more intrested in the quality rather then yoursetup, people who put usb mixing and vdj down are just prats and dont mind spending money on new vinyls cd`s or needles all the time.
 
My brothers we are the new generation of djs..
 
djchris73 wrote :

And another thing: Roc Raida and Q-Bert are not DJs. At least not when they are doing their 20 minute sets, they're not.



ok this will be my final post on this subject. You just defend using a laptop computer as still being a dj , which is true but you call other styles that you dont like as not being a dj. DJ means Disc Jockey...... not party starter not techno mixer not mashup king ect..... not jukebox .... so you can not justify one style then say another style isn't djing. the classist attitude needs to stop in order to advance.... it is all djing
 
sirkitbreaker wrote :
djchris73 wrote :

And another thing: Roc Raida and Q-Bert are not DJs. At least not when they are doing their 20 minute sets, they're not.



ok this will be my final post on this subject. You just defend using a laptop computer as still being a dj , which is true but you call other styles that you dont like as not being a dj. DJ means Disc Jockey...... not party starter not techno mixer not mashup king ect..... not jukebox .... so you can not justify one style then say another style isn't djing. the classist attitude needs to stop in order to advance.... it is all djing


Yes, I can justify saying what I said. DJ means much more than just Disc Jockey.

First off, I didn't say I didn't like that style. Very entertaining and impressive if you are at the DMC and what not. I respect the skills.
But I remember an interview I saw about 5 or 6 years ago, Q-Bert himself has stated that he does not consider himself to be a DJ. I remember back then, the term was beat juggler, Turntablist, turntable terrorist and a bunch of other crazy terms. Turntablists have gone through great lengths to segregate themselves from the "DJ" title. They consider themselves something of a stage performer, like a magician or something.

I did not come up with the idea of a DJ being a "master of ceremonies" of sorts on my own. This concept goes back to the roots of DJ'ing, in the early 70's. Francis Grosso, Steve D'Aquisto, Larry Levan, Michael Di Cappelo, Tee Scott, Shep Pettibone, Francois K., Frankie Knuckles, Nicky Siano, David Mancuso. These are real DJs. Legendary 8 hour, soul moving sets. Not 20 minute, pre-programmed routines.

Again, I'm not knockin' the style or the skills but you got to call a spade a spade....

By their own admissions, these guys are not DJs.
 
a plumber can call himself a pipe wrench technician and he is still a plumber
 
sirkitbreakerok wrote :
a plumber can call himself a pipe wrench technician and he is still a plumber.


What the hell does that mean?


What happened to this?

sirkitbreakerok wrote :
this will be my final post on this subject.
 
I was told I wasn't a real dj when I was on radio in '80 cause I didn't know how to mix, I wasn't a real Dj with my realistic turntables from radio shack I learned to mix on in '81 cause they weren't technics, I wasn't a real dj when I got my first club gig in '82 for Black Angus because they weren't a real club...just a bar in a restaurant (and a chain no less), I wasn't a real DJ when I was mixing on VHS machines playing video in the '84, I wasn't a real dj when I was a resident at the Palladium in San Francisco in '88 cause I was from Arizona and only rednecks come from Arizona, I wasn't a DJ when the cdj500's came out in '94 cause dj's don't use cd's, when I started using BPM studio software in '99 I wasn't a Dj just cause nobody knew what the hell it was, now I'm not a real Dj cause I mix video on a computer with a mouse......Don't care if other Dj or Dj wannabees call me a Dj or not......for 28 years the owners keep calling me and they keep spelling my name right on all the big checks I take to the bank each week!
 
dj-e-lectric wrote :
I was told I wasn't a real dj when I was on radio in '80 cause I didn't know how to mix, I wasn't a real Dj with my realistic turntables from radio shack I learned to mix on in '81 cause they weren't technics, I wasn't a real dj when I got my first club gig in '82 for Black Angus because they weren't a real club...just a bar in a restaurant (and a chain no less), I wasn't a real DJ when I was mixing on VHS machines playing video in the '84, I wasn't a real dj when I was a resident at the Palladium in San Francisco in '88 cause I was from Arizona and only rednecks come from Arizona, I wasn't a DJ when the cdj500's came out in '94 cause dj's don't use cd's, when I started using BPM studio software in '99 I wasn't a Dj just cause nobody knew what the hell it was, now I'm not a real Dj cause I mix video on a computer with a mouse......Don't care if other Dj or Dj wannabees call me a Dj or not......for 28 years the owners keep calling me and they keep spelling my name right on all the big checks I take to the bank each week!





HEHEEHee..thats right man...as long as u gettin paid dnt matter what they say....
 
dj-e-lectric,
I hope that rant wasn't directed at me. I didn't say that anybody is or isn't a DJ. I just repeated what those people said about themselves. If some people don't like the way I said it, tough.
 
lets get friendly amigos...
 
djchris73 wrote :
dj-e-lectric,
I hope that rant wasn't directed at me. I didn't say that anybody is or isn't a DJ. I just repeated what those people said about themselves. If some people don't like the way I said it, tough.


Not directed at anyone specific, not a rant really, just pointing out that the tools have always changed over the years and generations and everyone has a different opinion of what a "dj" is or should be and it is such a stupid arguement....if you love what you do and you get paid for it who cares what anybody else thinks, except the person paying you or giving you the chance to play!
 
Holy shit e-lectric, I had no idea that you were so damned old! ;-)

Heh... btw, still using VideoVision as your skin of choice?
 
Supacon wrote :
Holy shit e-lectric, I had no idea that you were so damned old! ;-)

Heh... btw, still using VideoVision as your skin of choice?


47 some days going on 12 and others going on 60.....Yeah it sucks when more often then not the comment is not "man you rrock", it's now "man you rock for an old guy!"

Yes I am...although I think it is a modified version (although I did download it directly fromthe skins section) as there is a very faint watermark in the lower right corner that says "Dj JD's VideoVission 5" and is the 1280 x 1024 version, but it is still in my opinion the best one out there. The only changes I would make if I knew how would be to find a way to put locks on the cue points and to be able to set the speed of the video "take" buttons on the fly. Other than that it is as perfect for me as it gets.
 
dj software is good to start with.
but its good to respect the artform by going vinyl.

the other day i was in the bar and this one kid had a serato and technics 1200 set up. the kid didnt have a clue was he was doing. if he had real vinyl i'd probably take him a few years to get all that music and that would come with skills. dj software makes one take shortcuts and lack of experience is evident. however much one tries to master software djing there's a big difference btwn a software dj and a vinyl one.
 
Turntables or cdjs are my tools of choice when it comes to DJ ying.. DJ Ying hands all the way for me...
 
ghettotech wrote :
dj software is good to start with.
but its good to respect the artform by going vinyl.

the other day i was in the bar and this one kid had a serato and technics 1200 set up. the kid didnt have a clue was he was doing. if he had real vinyl i'd probably take him a few years to get all that music and that would come with skills. dj software makes one take shortcuts and lack of experience is evident. however much one tries to master software djing there's a big difference btwn a software dj and a vinyl one.


I respect the art of automobile design, but that doesn't mean I want to crank start my car just because my great grandad had to. There is NO difference between a software Dj and a turntable Dj (especially a software dj using turntables to control it)......there is a difference between a bad Dj and a good Dj and the tools you use make no difference. If you are a bad Dj you will be a bad Dj regardless of whether you use vinyl, cd, software or two tin cans and a string. Why don't the condescending, egomaniacle, hard line turntable dj's get a clue, get a brain cell or two and realize that. In 28 years of Djing I have seen WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more bad turntable Djs than software Djs...................Sigmund Freud would say your hard line chastizing of anyone not using 12 inches (of vinyl) is your way of compensating for lacking somewhere in your own life!
 
First and foremost, it's not automated. Granted there is a beatlock option that can automate things however that is at the users' discretion. It should not be automatically assumed that the computer does all the work. I personally am against using beatlock; I would much rather use the beatmatching skills that i aquired back in the vinyl days. In using Virtual DJ, you are simply evolving with the times. There should be no guilt in that. I recently attended my son's grade school Halloween dance and the DJ there was using CDs . I noticed that he was scrambling all night long to find the tracks he wanted to throw down. This made be realize that I am so glad to have made the transition away from vinyl and CDs. Virtual makes life as a DJ a lot less stressfull thus allowing you to focus more on your mixing, and equally as important, to focus on your crowd. As far as this backyard bozo that was giving you grief, all I can say is f**k him.
 
yeeeaaaa(im saying the word yea slowly)..i took beatlock off..now i dont know but the way i cue my songs feels like they come out the way i want them...
 

All of you, just ignore the narrow minded twats, that's all they are.

It doesn't matter what you use's to spin, even if you use your grandfathers old gramophone, as long as your crowd is dancin' who cares!!!!!!
 
yea because i remember when our familys had parties and i would stand by my 500 watt home stereo(a sony) and i would just change the songs until everybody would tell me they wanted that certian song..Everybody would be "like hey DJ..put in another CD!!!"then i would take the 5-cd changer and put in a different cd and just push stop and play another cd..i was being called a dj..if it comes from the partiers then i feel like a dj...now they are suprised that im 17 and waiting to build up a buissenes and start to dj PROFESSIONALLY..i already have VDJ..AMP,SPEAKERS..MICROPHONE,MIXER,,and i know how to get them jumpin!! IM SO PROUD OF MY SELF..oh and please nobody make no slick comments on my age because i know somebody is ganna say something stupid..so i preffer it keep it to yourself about my age..
 
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