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Topic: Virtual DJ Vs. Serato Video Wars - Is Competition good ??? Sound Off - Page: 1

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Serato just released it's 1.8 video plug in - competition is always good for the consumer???

Sound off!
 
Posted Sat 15 Dec 07 @ 11:38 am
 
I read a few Psots over on the serato board,

Sounds like some of the guys are haveing many problems setting it up properly.

And the Video module is LOCKED to the rane tt 55 (I think) mixer. No 19" option for mixers

So far interesting things.
 
You need to have a Rane TTM57sl but that will not always be the case. For the first release however you will need the 57. More then anything its a marketing ploy on there part to make people buy there mixer.
 
The post I found the most intersting was the fellow who had problems with video display and he said flat out:

I use both these computers and they run virtual dj without problems (or something very similar to that)

The Serato Video module seems to be a bit of a resource pig, is what I get from that fellows post.






May you live in interesting times
 
I can't wait till a Serato fan say's "it's only teething problems"......Hehe.

Bring it on Serato, you're messing with a big boy now, VirtualDJ

Jimmy b
 
Greetings to all!!!!!!!!
 
If you don't think Serato is a big boy you are wrong. They have the ProDJ timecode market locked down. Every big name DJ uses Serato and I have yet to see one that uses VDJ. One of the reasons for this is Serato works on a Mac. All DJ's for the most part use Mac's because they are the standard in the audio industry. If VDJ wants to play with the big boys they better get VDJ for the mac working...
 
Globetap,

Have you ever heard of Denis Ferrer, Coldcut or Benny Benassi?

these are only 3 of the ones well known to the VDJ community that currently uses VDJ at their shows.

Best Regards

DJ White Devil
 
Also Kenny Jason....one of the originators of the Chicago House sound....a VDJ user......
 
@Globetap, dont mistake marketing mass for quality of product. Rane is known worldwide, and few people know about VDJ because of marketing budget. Rane is a huge company, Atomix a small one. It's through a quality product that Atomix gets by with VDJ and the community grows. It's by sheer monetary budget Rane gets by. Times are changing though. Rane users are getting irritated at how slow the product is progressing.

Personally I dont like it, its much too latent and the software is too basic. Made a decision long ago that Rane's Serato is not worth my time.
 
There are things I like about serato - it's much vaulted reliability, and time code stability.
I didn't like the software "feel"

I liked the fact that it has "made for" hardware - But didn't like the price of the hardware.

There's good and bad things about serato - except that It didn't do video. and for all practical purposes - it still doesn't.

Baby steps. But it's coming.
 
I got the Serato video plugin working good on my PC. The video transitions are a little disappointing. They don't have anything like the Satellite boom transition that VDJ has. The time code and scratching is way ahead of VDJ, that always sounds perfect. I'm still going to be using VDJ for my video shows for the next month or so, but will eventually move to Serato only.
 
Another thing I forgot to mention is that Serato's video plugin doesn't have any type of ambient video or anything like sonique to run in the background when you play just audio. That's kind of a bummer.
 
Common sense, Serato "just" got video plugins, wait till they have it completely finished and fixed. Personally I'm looking for to Serato due to I can't get the commonly known "skip, snap, crackle, and pop issues. The more I hear it the more I wan't to switch to something else, but I'm still puttng effort to fix it. And hopefully things go alright, I'll buy VDJ Pro.
 
True VDJ has more features then Serato. I am a VDJ user and i am aware of these features but my biggest problem with VDJ is the lack of support for Apple OS X and as i said in my first post in order to be taken serious in the pro audio community you need a working Mac version of VDJ. All these DJ's use macs, DJ AM, DJ Aoki, DJ Five, DJ Jazzy Jeff and so on....


 
to be taken serious in the pro audio community you need to have been educated in it and do good work. these days anyone can buy software and make noise, but that doesnt mean they understand the principles of production, mastery and sound; pc or mac...
 
Thats true Virtual dj has to step up to the plate. I live in New york and everywhere and i mean everywhere and everyclub uses serato. Its like the standard 1200s. All you see is 1200s, serato box and pioneer cdjs. Serato is everywhere like a spreaded virus. Ill tell you one thing, its not about how you can configure it to work like a dream car or you can do this or super drop the latisity. Its all about it being stable and working 100 percent and having your cue pionts. 90 percent of the best dj in the world cant be wrong. I have virtual viny and serato and know the difference from both.
 
This is what i mean by and the list goes on and on

45 KING > The King of the Beats

?UESTLOVE > The Roots drummer and DJ

A-SIDES > D&B Producer & DJ

A-TRAK > DMC, ITF and Vestax Champ

AFRIKA BAMBAATAA > Zulu Nation, Planet Rock

AKUFEN > Does things his way

ALLAN BANFORD > DJ / Producer / Remixer

DJ AM > The US Entertainment Industry's Premier DJ

BEAT JUNKIES > International beat phenomenon

BENI G > Mixologists

DJ BIJAL > Mr Everywhere

DJ BIZNIZZ > The En4cers!

BJOERN WILKE > Level Non Zero Records

DJ BOMBASTICO > Ghosttown DJs

BONOBO > It came from the sea

BOOZOO BAJOU > Dust My Broom

CUT KILLER > Pioneer of the French hip hop movement

CUTCANNIBALZ > Beatwars and Da Kid

DJ CXL > 2003 NZ DMC Champion - Coming Soon!

DAMON WILD > Rave Generator!

DAVE TARRIDA > Sativae Records

DJ DEBONAIR > Producer - Arena Rocking DJ - Coming Soon!

DIPLO > Renaissance Man meets Bart Simpson down South

DUBFIRE > Grammy winner, one half of Deep Dish

DJ EMPRESS > - Coming Soon!

DJ ENFERNO > Live Remix Project

EVIL EDDIE RICHARDS > Britan's godfather of house and techno

FELIX DA HOUSECAT > One of the most creative artists in music today - Coming Soon!

DJ FLAME > Freesouls co-founder and Indonesian Club DJ

DJ GERO > Double French DMC Champion - Coming Soon!

GROOVERIDER > - Coming Soon!

HAUL & MASON > Four turntable beatdown

HEIKO LAUX > Kanzleramt Records

DJ I-DEE > - Coming Soon!

IG CULTURE > New Sector Movements

JAY DABHI > "Mumbai after dark"

JAZZY JAY > Def Jam founder, DMC DJ Hall of Fame

JAZZY JEFF > The Magnificent

JEFF MILLIGAN > Minimal Techno Producer

JEREMY P CAULFIELD > Dumb-Unit

JOHN TEJADA > Prolific Techno & House Producer

JUNIOR SANCHEZ > DJ/Producer/Remixer

JUST DIZLE > Le Champion

K-N-S > Founder of Diwrek Hit Entertainment

DJ KAI > Rising star of the New York house scene

KID FRESH > Lordz of Fitness

KILMORE > Incubus - Coming Soon!

KING BRITT > Vibrationoligist - Coming Soon!

KLUTE > Drum & Bass producer extraordinaire

KUTMASTA KURT > Dr. Dooom

L.E.S. > DJ / Producer - Nas's DJ

DJ LEN SWANN > Tech Mob, Revolution champ

MAKOTO > Good Looking, Human Elements

MARCO PASSARANI > the Finalfrontier

MARK DE CLIVE-LOWE > Broken-Beat Producer

DJ MARKY > Innerground Records from Brazil

MARTYN > Get the funk down

MAX GRAHAM > Producer, Composer, DJ

MISSILL > DJ/Graffiti Writer/Producer

MIXMASTER MIKE > Beastie Boys - Coming Soon!

MONK > Halluci-nation

NEIL ARMSTRONG > 5th Platoon

OLLIE TEEBA > The Herbaliser

PEANUT BUTTER WOLF > Stones Throw Records

PLASTICIAN > Terrorhythm Recordings

DJ POGO > One of the UK¹s top turntablists - Coming Soon!

DJ POISON IVY > Queen Of Dirty South

PRINCE PAUL > Legendary Hip Hop Producer

QUANTIC > Tru Thoughts Records

DJ RECTANGLE > DMC Champ, battle record master - Coming Soon!

DJ RIZ > One half of Crooklyn Clan

ROB SWIFT > X-ecutioner, DMC East Coast champion

DJ ROCKID > 5 x Dutch DMC champ

RONI SIZE > Mercury Award Winner - Coming Soon!

SAM ROUANET > a.k.a. Reynold - Coming Soon!

SASHA > One of the World's Best DJs

SCRAPE TACTICIANS > DJ / Turntablizm Crew

SHAWN TULSI > A mish-mash of funky house and dark disco - Coming Soon!

DJ SHORTEE > 'Queen of the Scratch World' - DJ Times

DJ SHORTY > - Coming Soon!

SIR-VERE > The face of NZ Hip Hop

DJ SKRIBBLE > Diversify your soul - Coming Soon!

DJ SOLOMON > DJ for the Golden State Warriors

DJ SPINBAD > Technical master

DJ SPINNA > Producer, DJ, Remixer

STEVE AOKI > Founder of Dim Mak Records

STRICTLY KEV > The public face of DJ Food

DJ SWIFT > French DMC Finalist - Coming Soon!

THE NEXTMEN > Motherf**king International Superstar DeeJays

DJ TOMEKK > Tomasz Kuklicz

DJ VADIM > The Art of Listening

DJ VAJRA > 4 Time DMC USA Finalist. 2002 WSTC world champion

DJ WOODY > 2X World Champ

YES KING > Adams.Rae.Productions - Coming Soon!

DJ YODA > No ordinary scratch DJ

Z-TRIP > Party-rocking DJ - Coming Soon!
 
just because everyone knows serato doesnt mean its better, it means they dont know about vdj. if you asked every big dj 'do you know about vdj' at least 70% of them would say now. i've switched 6 users in my local area who knew serato but never heard of vdj. however for many users who dont care to look into details, they are more subsceptible to brand loyalty because they cannot talk the 'specs' and thus you cannot change their mind. and this is totally fine, but doesnt make a logical argument against vdj.

i've seen serato crash very miserably, much more than ive ever experienced with vdj and i have used both professionally. but then again, im a programmer and know alot about hardware and have 20 years experience at it. not exactly fair fo the entry user, so yes, id say serato has a point won on that front.

this likens to the mac vs pc war. a successful pc user unfortunately needs to know about computers, whereas mac users dont need to know anything; 'it just runs'. while in the practical sense this is a winning argument for macs, it also classes the users. but face it, the development bed and the oem market is very much pc. if you dont understand programming and how selling software works, refrain from commenting.

if you want something to be out of the box, fairly stable and dont want to bother learning about it, buy serato. if you like to tweak, customize and push the envelope, serato sucks, get vdj. i analogized in an other thread: serato is a stock car, vdj is a custom. those who want to customise their car obviously need to learn and know cars and what to use; thats vdj.


 
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