Forum: VirtualDJ Technical Support

You'll have to be more specific about what exactly you miss.
From the video it looks like the regular Echo better matches the features of the traktor delay effect though

So what exactly do you miss in VirtualDJ?

When using Echo instead of Echo Out, you could enable the 'Lock On Max' to get more loop style when switching strength to 100%, or enable 'Mute Source' to get more of an Echo Out style, but with parameters to control highpass, lowpass and feedback.

So what exactly do you miss in VirtualDJ?

When using Echo instead of Echo Out, you could enable the 'Lock On Max' to get more loop style when switching strength to 100%, or enable 'Mute Source' to get more of an Echo Out style, but with parameters to control highpass, lowpass and feedback.

I think @Adion (a dev of the software) is asking you to explain what doesn't work correctly provide maybe some video evidence of what doesn't work as you expect, because the Echo effect has similar parameters to the Delay effect in Traktor. Note he said the Echo effect, not the Echo Out, as the latter really is meant to capture a specific state of the track with a loop while bringing the volume to zero/track to silence, while the former was meant for live adjustment, so you should not really be using Echo Out for what you are describing, you should be using Echo.

So far, you've provided two seemingly dead google drive links, and one general link describing the Traktor delay effect with Freeze.
It would be helpful if you provide a recording of you showing the differences and what you believe to be the shortcomings when using VirtualDJ's version of the effect and then when using Traktor to show the missing functionality so they can actually understand what you are trying to say.

(you should) use the Echo effect, not the Echo Out, as the latter really is meant to capture a specific state of the track with a loop while bringing the volume to zero/track to silence, while the former was meant for live adjustment, so you should not really be using Echo Out for what you are describing, you should be using Echo.

The videos shows you didn't understand/follow what @Adion said to you.



Once again, try the same comparison with the Echo effect, not the Echo Out effect, and post your findings with that here if it is deficient.

So what exactly do you miss in VirtualDJ?

When using Echo instead of Echo Out, you could enable the 'Lock On Max' to get more loop style when switching strength to 100%, or enable 'Mute Source' to get more of an Echo Out style, but with parameters to control highpass, lowpass and feedback.

There is still no option to go backwards.
Meaning, turning a specific knob is one-directional only.
I demonstrate this clearly in Video 1.

It is possible to change the parameters live,
but the parameters are displayed differently than what I need.
For example, the effect rhythms are written differently compared to Traktor.
I also demonstrate this in a video.

Overall, the effect simply does not sound good enough.

I am willing to pay for the development of an effect that is a one-to-one match of Traktor’s Delay effect.

Please understand one thing:
I have already paid money to a developer to create a custom skin so that the software looks identical to Traktor.

The only thing that is bothering me is this effect issue,
and I am absolutely sure it can be fixed.

The number of people I would move to VirtualDJ after this issue is solved is astronomical.

We are an entire community working with XDJ-AZ.
Traktor does not support this system - you do.

We all want to leave Traktor for this reason,
but Traktor Pro has one effect that I can confidently say 95% of our community relies on -
and that is this delay/freeze effect.

There is a Reverse button displayed in the effect window (which you didn't seem to use).



This is not a functionality issue, this is a preference.
All effects along with their parameters are fully scriptable via vdjscript. Given you said you paid someone to make a Traktor skin with the knobs, they could adjust how the parameter steps are adjusted to match your expectation.
I'm pretty doubtful that Atomix will change the way the default display is done, especially as VirtualDJ users are accustomed to this interface and most people use this directly from a controller.
What would you think if a VirtualDJ user came to Native Instruments forums and said the way the Delay effect's parameters are layed out is all wrong?


Your opinion is respected, but remember that's what it is...an opinion.
Pretty much all the users of VDJ would disagree/use it without issue, and also recent DJ software reviewers have sang it's praises (Atomix recently revamped the effect engine).

The only parameter that doesn't have a 1 to 1 mapping is the SPREAD parameter, which seems to do some panning separation with the effect on, almost like a ping pong effect.



Devs will take this one up (maybe they'll help you with mapping or implement what's missing).
If you really need a similar layout/the missing functionality immediately, you can probably try using Native Instruments' Replika Delay VST.



So Atomix is not really in the business of making VirtualDJ into Traktor/trying to be a clone of other software - they have their own take on DJing, and have been in the business long enough to make certain choices about inplementation and understand the consequences. If you approach the software by trying to mame it work like another, you'll most likely be using it inefficiently and will be frustrated.
Take time to learn the software for what it provides
(they have written a detailed User Manual, Wiki and Hardware Manuals), instead of trying to make it into where you came from. You'll probably find that the choices made here work equally as well for workflows, especially if you are looking at the AZ, which has a workflow for that particular effect (Echo) that matches the VirtualDJ implementation rather than the Native Instruments one.



Basing an entire choice of software on the layout of a single effect (because all of what you described is doable right now), is somewhat questionable.
I was a Traktor user as well for a few years (I still have a Kontrol Z2 as it is class compliant). I switched, learned how things worked here, and grew.

With that said though, the devs and the community readily welcome suggestions for improvement, and will try to work with you to achieve your goals.