kradcliffe
I have worked in two clubs over the years that had subs suspended from the roof and it just doesn't work at all.
Every location is completely different.
I have a Wharfedale 2130 satellite system in my lounge, and replacing two cloth sofas with leather ones threw the sound off completely so I had to change the EQ and reposition the subwoofer. No joke.
Every location is completely different.
I have a Wharfedale 2130 satellite system in my lounge, and replacing two cloth sofas with leather ones threw the sound off completely so I had to change the EQ and reposition the subwoofer. No joke.
Posted Thu 14 Jul 16 @ 8:09 am
Cannen
PhantomDeejay, I'm wondering if that was directed at me?
If so, I think my meaning was taken wrong.
The last part of my statement was talking about leaving the subs on the floor, next to each other. Then, put your high/mid range speakers on poles over top of the subs. Like how you would set them up on either side of your DJ booth, except in this case, they would be side by side. Either next to your booth, behind, or in front.
If so, I think my meaning was taken wrong.
The last part of my statement was talking about leaving the subs on the floor, next to each other. Then, put your high/mid range speakers on poles over top of the subs. Like how you would set them up on either side of your DJ booth, except in this case, they would be side by side. Either next to your booth, behind, or in front.
Posted Thu 14 Jul 16 @ 8:35 am
PhantomDeejay
No, it was not directed at anyone specific.
It's just that there are 100's of articles on how to setup speakers properly. But most of them are for Hi-End systems on your living room. The principles of Hi End don't apply on PA.
As for the sats, you want to place them with enough distance between each other if you want to provide a good stereo effect at about 50% of your speakers coverage area. Placing them together reduces the stereo effect. Also, unlike bass, for mid range and high frequencies the human brain can understand the source (direction) of the sound. Therefore they can understand where the sound comes from.
Finally there is one more thing to consider:
Coverage VS Loudness.
If you stack all your sats together you get bigger max loudness (db SPL) out of them. However you usually reduce the coverage. Not in terms "where the sound arrives", but in terms "how the sound arrives" on various spots.
It's just that there are 100's of articles on how to setup speakers properly. But most of them are for Hi-End systems on your living room. The principles of Hi End don't apply on PA.
As for the sats, you want to place them with enough distance between each other if you want to provide a good stereo effect at about 50% of your speakers coverage area. Placing them together reduces the stereo effect. Also, unlike bass, for mid range and high frequencies the human brain can understand the source (direction) of the sound. Therefore they can understand where the sound comes from.
Finally there is one more thing to consider:
Coverage VS Loudness.
If you stack all your sats together you get bigger max loudness (db SPL) out of them. However you usually reduce the coverage. Not in terms "where the sound arrives", but in terms "how the sound arrives" on various spots.
Posted Thu 14 Jul 16 @ 9:20 am
Adion
The last 2 articles linked earlier seems to be fairly good, as they back up what they're saying with actual simulations.
The first one does appear to be more for the very big venues though, where the distance between subwoofers and hanging satellites would be relatively large.
http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/the_best_place_to_put_subwoofers_is/
http://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/bass-place
The first one does appear to be more for the very big venues though, where the distance between subwoofers and hanging satellites would be relatively large.
http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/the_best_place_to_put_subwoofers_is/
http://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/bass-place
Posted Thu 14 Jul 16 @ 9:45 am
locoDog
PhantomDeejay wrote :
The ONLY real limitation when placing subs in a room is to provide them enough space to generate the initial wave. In other words, it's a good practice to keep your subs 2-3 feets away from the mass of your croud so that the wave generates fully before it starts getting absorbed by human bodies.
Ha, love how folk can get right precious about speaker placement, we just rock up in a field, build an array and have folk rig riding all night,
Posted Thu 14 Jul 16 @ 10:02 am
Mobile Zombie
When I place my equipment including subs I care much more to avoid my clients to fall over / into / across / behind / over / under my equipment during late hours.
The final hours can be really like a zoo and I couldn't care less about maximum sub performance.
The final hours can be really like a zoo and I couldn't care less about maximum sub performance.
Posted Thu 14 Jul 16 @ 3:40 pm