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Ive been djing for years 25+ and never really dealt with Key harmonics. But I must say after reading a little info and messing with RE3 i must say i think i been garbage for 25 years. After scanning my library i go into a folder and pick songs with matching key and then i hear the magic. I mean the constant feel i can give the crowd...yea thats lovely. Now when i choose my flow im looking for how far away tempo and key is. Love it i wish VDJ would read the results of RE3 instead of having to have both browsers open....

So is there a way to get the key and beat intensity tags visible ib VDj?
 
Posted Thu 17 Oct 13 @ 7:44 pm
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yea i see key...but no beat intensity, but hey cant have everything, how about in the field 1 or field 2...
 
My advice with all this mixing-in-key stuff...don't focus so hard on that that you lose touch with the crowd. ALWAYS play to your crowd or else you will be mixing-in-key to yourself and the staff.
 
Very funny, it could be in key, but a crappy song. My ear seems to do pretty good. I tried it once, and found that I had been doing the same thing, and I don't know the difference between an A or a B. How do you guys find the time to mix, if you are looking for a key, is the waveform the right color, my skin doesn't match my controller, I can't find my cover art, my fonts are the wrong color, my beat grids don't match up, the wave form does not show the beat intensity. What is that, anyway?
 
A Man and His Music wrote :
beat intensity. What is that, anyway?


Probably similar to Mixed In Key's "energy level" measurement. IMO doesn't really seem to be much more than how loud/busy a track is.

Whatever happened to listening? DJs used to make decisions based on what they heard, rather than the result of some digital analysis!

When we played vinyl, there was no BPM readout, no coloured waveform, no key detection or energy level assessment......and we managed just fine for decades.

:-)
 


intensity/energy level seems such a silly feature.. its only how 'busy' the track is, and super simple to make..
You guys really want that?

Harmonic key is awesome, just cant quite get the need for 'intensity' as a browser feature .. . but not entirely stranger to it .
 
My ears have done the same job since 1985,no need for stuff like this :)
 

yeah you can count beat by ears too .. but even if its quite easy to do, its nice to have browser features such as key, bpm etc for sorting, and organizing tracks ;) Just not sure about the 'energy level' thing though.. maybe i'm being 'old school' too ;) hehe
 
What is RE3?
 
Rapid Evolution. It's free, so it's the popular choice for people who dislike paying for software. :-)
 


Would stick to ONE key detection program.
While key might not always be correct, using ONE program ensures a better harmonically correctness even if the labeled key is off.

And since key-detection comes built into VirtualDJ (Both real keys such as F#m, and key codes such as 2A), there should be zero need to use other programs for this cause.

 
It would be nice if VDJ wasn't so biased towards minor (A) keys.

Please don't say it's because all/most dance music is minor. My collection consists of many genres - rock, reggae, pop, soul, jazz.....and yet almost every key detected by VDJ is minor! There are very few major keys, even though my tracks cover multiple genres and decades.

Comparing the results with MIK shows that MIK detects more major keys.

For these reasons I don't / won't rely totally on what VDJ detects. If I need to be sure, I will double check with MIK and by searching online for info from sheet music etc.
 
Now if only VDJ cod write either key back to the ID3 automatically or by the batch I'd only use ONE program.........maybe in a future release........
 
Sorry this is a little old but I ended up buying Mix In Key and now I can't figure out how to get VDJ to re-read all the ID3 tags to show the value other then going through each song one by one. Is that what I'm stuck with doing here?
 
 
Thanks Groovin. I did this just after Mix In Key finished except for the coment thing. I will try that but I picked a small folder to see if this would work. It updated the Tags but on one song VDJ still said 1A where the tag in the info said 1B. I loaded the song up to see if it would change but found that the only way to change it was to go into the song itself and press the arrow to update the tag manually. I have a feeling that this is what I am stuck with but I will try the comments thing first.
 
Thinking aloud here, I know that VDJ gives/gave preference to old ID3 tags (the ID3 version) and reads from those if they're present before it reads the new ones - so maybe what's happening is that MIK is writing to the new tags but VDJ is still reading the old ones, because they're present in your files.

Various users have raised this as an issue to Atomix in the past, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's still the case.
 
I did some experiments a few months ago with the latest version of MIK. It would write the tags, but, VDJ would not put the results into either the key or the comments except one by one. I tried the reload trick many times but couldn't get them in the right place.
 
Might be worth trying one of the "update the VDJ database from file tags" utility programs in the download section.

Phantom DJ's Small Tagger for example.
 
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