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Topic: VCI-300mk2 & Other HID Controllers

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I'm doing research on controllers, and want to use VDJ. I do want the precision that comes with HID control and Serato DJ.

How accurate is the VCI-300 when compared to the response on Serato Itch?
 
Posted Mon 03 Dec 12 @ 9:44 pm
im not sure about the controller your after but in my experience mapping Native Instruments controllers using both HID and MIDI i find that i hardly even notice a delay between hardware change and software change when using HID, i would expect this to be true for just about any HID controller.
 
Okay. I thought the Native Instrument controllers were exclusive to NI.

How is the scratching on VDJ with NI Controller? Are you able to beatmatch accuratly?
 
i have created mappers for as many of the NI controllers as i can get my hands on, so far with HID there are 2 controllers.
the S2 which uses HID for the jogwheels, encoders and all the buttons
and the F1 for the pads and the encoder.
unfortunately due to the stupid way NI chose to do their sliders i cant map them in HID untill i have a stroke of genius.

i couldnt tell you about scratching as i myself dont scratch, and call me noob but i use the sync button.
 
as far as wheel resolution, its 4 byte HID so if you mapped it to the smallest value change you would have 4294967295 values before you cam all the way back to where you started
 
That's cool. & I don't get the big deal about sync lol. It's all about the music who cares how it gets played.

Do you know what other controllers on the market use HID?
 
i myself dont know of any controllers that support HID other than the NI ones i own as all my other controllers are supported by VDJ out of the box and i never had to even touch that side of things.
 
Yeah.

That is why I was looking into the VCI-300mk2. It is a Serato Itch controller, that is supported by VDJ out of the box.

On Serato Itch, the VCI-300 has extremely accurate platter & fader & button resonse, utilizing i believe HID. I was wondering how accurate the VCI was on VDJ compared to Serato. Assuming that it uses the same technology with HID, it should be basically equal I'm assuming.
 
to the best of my knowledge HID is the same across the board, so i would expect the VCI-300mk2 to have the same precision in VDJ as it does in Itch, if not then we can always make it be as accurate.
 
The VCI-300 MK2 is MIDI.

Serato uses their own proprietary HIDI protocol, which is basically MIDI messages sent using HID protocol. This proprietary protocol isn't supported in other software, but it doesn't really offer much advantage over standard MIDI.

True HID (As implemented by most standard HID controllers) is a stateful 'pull' protocol and allows the software to see the state of all buttons, sliders, jogwheels, etc. and act accordingly when it's ready (Based on what's changed) rather than being 'force fed' this information by the controller, as is the case for MIDI.

The standard MIDI jogwheel resolution of the VCI-300 is around 3000 steps (vs 128 for a basic MIDI controller), so should be more than sufficient for most users. It also has 14-bit pitch sliders.

However, the downside of the VCI-300 is because it was designed/intended for use with Serato/Itch, it doesn't have ASIO audio drivers available. These are essential for low latency audio on PC for good scratch response (Serato has its own drivers built-in.) For other software, ASIO4ALL must be used instead which may not give as good results as a true native ASIO driver. If you are using another external ASIO sound card (E.g: Numark DJIO) then this won't be an issue.

On Mac this is not an issue because native CoreAudio is used.

NOTE: The new VCI-400 or VCI-380 would be a better choice than VCI-300. Both have ASIO drivers available. The VCI-400 is available with VirtualDJ LE included, which allows you to upgrade to the full VirtualDJ Pro at a discount.
 
Thank you for your assistance in helping me understand in picking the correct controller.

I think the VCI-300 seems good for me. My main goal is to be as versatile as possible, able to play on Turntables, CD Players, & Controllers.

I do have a Mac Computer.

What I want out of my controller is a basic two turntable and a mixer setup with extremely accurate pitch faders and jog wheels.

I was leaning towards the VCI-300 and then the NS7.

So, the VCI-300 does have 3000 rotations instead of 128 when using Virtual DJ? Or does it downgrade to 128 when using Virtual DJ?

Also, what controllers on the market use HID?
 
Yes, VirtualDJ does support the full rotations of the VCI-300. 128 is an example only for comparison with a typical basic (Cheap) MIDI controller.

HID controllers include Pioneer CDJ 350/400/850/900/2000, Pioneer MEP7000/SDJC1, Pioneer DDJAREO, Voxoa C50/C60, EKS XP5/XP10/Otus, Audiophony DJam/DJazz, Gemini CTRL-ONE/SIX, Gemini CTNRL-2/7, Numark iCue/iCDX/DMC-2
 
Well ive being usins vci300 mk1 since came out with virtual and assio4all and any problems at all plug and play the sound quality is good 4 me the layout very good designed and is a robust controller if you like it go for it.
 
Thank You Pepe.

I'll be using a MacBook Pro so I'll be using Core Audio.

Can you tell me, how accurate are the pitch faders/crossfader and the jogwheels in comparison to Serato? I want to use the VDJ Software, but I want as accurate control as possble. No lag/delay time at all. I want instant response.

Happy Holidays
 
Love my vci-300. Works well with Vdj , asio4all is fine with windows id youre using mac the core audio works perfectly You can't use 2 time codes with it but it does work with 1. Scratching is better with serato. But it does work decently with Vdj. If you're going to use traktor with it forget it. The platters are horrible. Been using mine for a couple if years with Vdj and I'm very happy
 
When you say decently compared to serato, how does it compare to regular midi? Say the response of the Hercules controllers
 
rxstyle wrote :
When you say decently compared to serato, how does it compare to regular midi? Say the response of the Hercules controllers


I cant really compare to most hercules products. The other controller I use the hercules mk4 which is a very small controller I like it because it fits in my laptop bag and is great for small gigs and even though it has jog wheels its really not made for scratching. When I do big clubs or large show I use the vci-300
 


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