DJRudeDoGG
Windows 7 is out today! Huzzah! But wait; if you're still rocking Windows XP, you might want to think twice before upgrading. Here are some reasons to stick with an old OS.
1. Updating will be a huge pain
You do realize that you can't just pop in the disc and install the OS, right? Coming from XP, you're going to need to backup all of your data, format your hard drive, install a clean version of Windows 7, and then start from scratch, reinstalling all of your old programs—and that's assuming Old Faithful even meets the system requirements. Sounds delightful!
2. Software investment
How many programs do you have installed? You're going to have to reinstall all of them. Do you have all of your install discs handy? And I hope you haven't lost any CD Keys! Do you still have all of your downloaded installer executables? Feel like finding them or redownloading them? Because that's what you're going to have to do. And as far as new programs go, you do realize that almost all new software is still compatible with XP, right?
3. Most of what you use your computer for doesn't need an upgrade
What do you do on your computer? Surf the internet, maybe use some office programs? I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Windows XP has been handling such duties just fine for you. So why upgrade? For shiny new aesthetics? For a fancier taskbar? For juggling 22 devices? You don't need that.
4. It's expensive
Do you have $120+ to burn? Because that's how much upgrading will cost you unless you use the $30 college-kid discount. Why not put that money in savings or use it to pay off a credit-card bill, like a grown up?
5. You can wait for SP1
Every OS has bugs when it's first released, and even if 7 isn't the $hitshow that Vista was, it'll surely need some patching up once the masses get their hands on it. You won't get any bonus points for being an early-adopter. Why not play it safe and, if you do decide to upgrade, hold out for Service Pack 1?
6. Microsoft will keep supporting XP for a while
Tons of people (including you) still use XP, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Because of that, Microsoft has no choice but to continue supporting it, releasing security patches and the like. You don't need to upgrade in order to get such benefits.
7. You'll buy a new computer eventually
You won't have your current computer forever, especially if you bought it long enough ago to come pre-loaded with XP. Since installing a new OS is one of the most risky and frustrating things you can do with your computer, you might as well just hold out until you buy a new one. It'll have Windows 7 pre-installed on a clean drive, allowing you to start from scratch.
If you're running Vista, however, you should by all means upgrade. What are you, crazy? Upgrade!!!
DJ RuDe
1. Updating will be a huge pain
You do realize that you can't just pop in the disc and install the OS, right? Coming from XP, you're going to need to backup all of your data, format your hard drive, install a clean version of Windows 7, and then start from scratch, reinstalling all of your old programs—and that's assuming Old Faithful even meets the system requirements. Sounds delightful!
2. Software investment
How many programs do you have installed? You're going to have to reinstall all of them. Do you have all of your install discs handy? And I hope you haven't lost any CD Keys! Do you still have all of your downloaded installer executables? Feel like finding them or redownloading them? Because that's what you're going to have to do. And as far as new programs go, you do realize that almost all new software is still compatible with XP, right?
3. Most of what you use your computer for doesn't need an upgrade
What do you do on your computer? Surf the internet, maybe use some office programs? I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that Windows XP has been handling such duties just fine for you. So why upgrade? For shiny new aesthetics? For a fancier taskbar? For juggling 22 devices? You don't need that.
4. It's expensive
Do you have $120+ to burn? Because that's how much upgrading will cost you unless you use the $30 college-kid discount. Why not put that money in savings or use it to pay off a credit-card bill, like a grown up?
5. You can wait for SP1
Every OS has bugs when it's first released, and even if 7 isn't the $hitshow that Vista was, it'll surely need some patching up once the masses get their hands on it. You won't get any bonus points for being an early-adopter. Why not play it safe and, if you do decide to upgrade, hold out for Service Pack 1?
6. Microsoft will keep supporting XP for a while
Tons of people (including you) still use XP, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Because of that, Microsoft has no choice but to continue supporting it, releasing security patches and the like. You don't need to upgrade in order to get such benefits.
7. You'll buy a new computer eventually
You won't have your current computer forever, especially if you bought it long enough ago to come pre-loaded with XP. Since installing a new OS is one of the most risky and frustrating things you can do with your computer, you might as well just hold out until you buy a new one. It'll have Windows 7 pre-installed on a clean drive, allowing you to start from scratch.
If you're running Vista, however, you should by all means upgrade. What are you, crazy? Upgrade!!!
DJ RuDe
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 1:24 am
DJ PHIL IT
it's safe to go with win 7 most item out there got vista drivers and this will work just fine in win 7
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 1:37 am
kradcliffe
Why not have a dua boot setup and test Windows 7 whilst still using XP for gigs etc?
Also if you have an Intel Mac, it's simple to set up a bootcamp or parallels virtual machine alongside your XP one.
I know Vista was absulutely useless, but at least give Windows 7 a go. As much as I love XP and have it on all my machines, it is getting dated and testing for a move now will save some pain later!
Also if you have an Intel Mac, it's simple to set up a bootcamp or parallels virtual machine alongside your XP one.
I know Vista was absulutely useless, but at least give Windows 7 a go. As much as I love XP and have it on all my machines, it is getting dated and testing for a move now will save some pain later!
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 1:48 am
Charlie Wilson
I feel as if there aren't enough improvements for anyone to really be bothered, I certainly wouldn't buy the OS to upgrade an old machine.
Bought a Mac for the internet last week and so far I'm happy with it, no pop up's from the task bar stating that anti virus is turned off etc. Worth it just for that
Bought a Mac for the internet last week and so far I'm happy with it, no pop up's from the task bar stating that anti virus is turned off etc. Worth it just for that
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 3:02 am
GadgetMan
Bests advice for XP users is to wait until you need to upgrade your lappy...
Microsoft will be supporting (but not patching) XP until 2014. Chances are you will either want to or have to upgarde your hardware in the next four and a bit years...
Roy
Microsoft will be supporting (but not patching) XP until 2014. Chances are you will either want to or have to upgarde your hardware in the next four and a bit years...
Roy
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 4:23 am
Charlie Wilson
True Roy,
Seems everyone is thinking along the same lines these days, two years from now they will have windows 8 anyway. No wait a minute that would be to simple it would probably be called something like windows ultra 2 and have five versions to cater for all the different classes in society.
Seems everyone is thinking along the same lines these days, two years from now they will have windows 8 anyway. No wait a minute that would be to simple it would probably be called something like windows ultra 2 and have five versions to cater for all the different classes in society.
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 4:37 am
DJ Andrey Seagull
DJRudeDoGG wrote :
1. Updating will be a huge pain
You do realize that you can't just pop in the disc and install the OS, right? Coming from XP, you're going to need to backup all of your data, format your hard drive, install a clean version of Windows 7, and then start from scratch, reinstalling all of your old programs—and that's assuming Old Faithful even meets the system requirements. Sounds delightful!
1. Updating will be a huge pain
You do realize that you can't just pop in the disc and install the OS, right? Coming from XP, you're going to need to backup all of your data, format your hard drive, install a clean version of Windows 7, and then start from scratch, reinstalling all of your old programs—and that's assuming Old Faithful even meets the system requirements. Sounds delightful!
I updated my moms laptop from XP to Windows 7 and no, you don't need to format your hard drive and backup all data but you have to reinstall all your programs.
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 5:00 am
GadgetMan
djfilosoff wrote :
I updated my moms laptop from XP to Windows 7 and no, you don't need to format your hard drive and backup all data but you have to reinstall all your programs.
I thought that was the case, but didn't want to quote incorrectly. However I would always advise on a full backup (even better a complete image) of any PC/Mac before attempting any upgrade. Even though the process may work, it has never been tried on your machine before and that might just be the one it fails on, or the day your hard drive decides to depart from this world... You just never know...
Anyway, can you tell us any more about the experience. Was it easy? What software if any have you found that doesn't work on W7?
Cheers,
Roy
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 5:09 am
Made In Breizh
Windows 7 is a better than Windows Vista but there are some changes to take into consideration before moving from XP to 7, as
1) Service pack: Windows XP was not so good until Service Pack 2, so you may have to wait before moving to 7, the time for Microsoft to release Windows 7 service pack 2
2) Wait for third party software & hardware companies to adapt their software and hardware to Windows 7
3) FireWire audio interfaces or FireWire combo audio+control surfaces: the FireWire stack is deeply changed in Windows 7 compared to XP and Vista, so it may take some time to get Windows 7 drivers for FireWire audio devices
4) Windows 7 USB audio stack doesn't include USB 2 (High Speed) audio driver yet, it is still an USB 1 WDM audio driver, so with USB 2 audio interfaces, you operate
- in high speed in ASIO mode (as Windows doesn't include an ASIO layer)
- but generally in USB 1 in WDM (as even if the manufacturer develops USB 2 WDM audio drivers, Microsoft plug & play installation will generally replace their USB 2 audio driver with Microsoft USB 1 audio layer).
For comparison, Mac OS 10.6 has
- no warning messages because there is no Apple certified program,
- the same FireWire stack as Mac OS 10.5, so FireWire devices supported in Tiger (10.5) are supported in Snow Leopard (10.6),
- a USB 2 audio layer in its Core Audio environment.
PS: I have been a Windows user since Windows 1, in 1987, and I have switched to Mac when I found unbearable Windows XP pop ups warning messages and I tested Vista: If Big Brother is hassling me, and if Biog Brother is unefficient, I move to a computer safe from Big Brother.
1) Service pack: Windows XP was not so good until Service Pack 2, so you may have to wait before moving to 7, the time for Microsoft to release Windows 7 service pack 2
2) Wait for third party software & hardware companies to adapt their software and hardware to Windows 7
3) FireWire audio interfaces or FireWire combo audio+control surfaces: the FireWire stack is deeply changed in Windows 7 compared to XP and Vista, so it may take some time to get Windows 7 drivers for FireWire audio devices
4) Windows 7 USB audio stack doesn't include USB 2 (High Speed) audio driver yet, it is still an USB 1 WDM audio driver, so with USB 2 audio interfaces, you operate
- in high speed in ASIO mode (as Windows doesn't include an ASIO layer)
- but generally in USB 1 in WDM (as even if the manufacturer develops USB 2 WDM audio drivers, Microsoft plug & play installation will generally replace their USB 2 audio driver with Microsoft USB 1 audio layer).
For comparison, Mac OS 10.6 has
- no warning messages because there is no Apple certified program,
- the same FireWire stack as Mac OS 10.5, so FireWire devices supported in Tiger (10.5) are supported in Snow Leopard (10.6),
- a USB 2 audio layer in its Core Audio environment.
PS: I have been a Windows user since Windows 1, in 1987, and I have switched to Mac when I found unbearable Windows XP pop ups warning messages and I tested Vista: If Big Brother is hassling me, and if Biog Brother is unefficient, I move to a computer safe from Big Brother.
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 6:02 am
DJ Andrey Seagull
I've found that all software worked on Windows 7 but onboard sound card didn't work correctly. It produced sound on built-in speakers all the time, even with headphones plugged in. Then I installed old XP drivers and it came back to normal.
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 6:22 am
markdeejay75
djfilosoff wrote :
I've found that all software worked on Windows 7 but onboard sound card didn't work correctly. It produced sound on built-in speakers all the time, even with headphones plugged in. Then I installed old XP drivers and it came back to normal.
thats not an issue with windows 7 specificaly, but a driver issue. other soundcards will use different driver software, and will behave differently.
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 7:05 am
markdeejay75
Made In Breizh wrote :
Windows 7 is a better than Windows Vista but there are some changes to take into consideration before moving from XP to 7, as
4) Windows 7 USB audio stack doesn't include USB 2 (High Speed) audio driver yet, it is still an USB 1 WDM audio driver, so with USB 2 audio interfaces, you operate
- in high speed in ASIO mode (as Windows doesn't include an ASIO layer)
- but generally in USB 1 in WDM (as even if the manufacturer develops USB 2 WDM audio drivers, Microsoft plug & play installation will generally replace their USB 2 audio driver with Microsoft USB 1 audio layer).
4) Windows 7 USB audio stack doesn't include USB 2 (High Speed) audio driver yet, it is still an USB 1 WDM audio driver, so with USB 2 audio interfaces, you operate
- in high speed in ASIO mode (as Windows doesn't include an ASIO layer)
- but generally in USB 1 in WDM (as even if the manufacturer develops USB 2 WDM audio drivers, Microsoft plug & play installation will generally replace their USB 2 audio driver with Microsoft USB 1 audio layer).
ive used a USB soundcard and i believe it is fully working on USB2.
mine is the Soundblaster Audigy 2 NX
there are updated drivers on its website for win7
im not using timecodes, so no need for ASIO mode.
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 7:10 am
VanWheeler
There is nothing wront with Windows 7 at all, I've been using 7 Ultimate for 2 months so far and I've not had a single problem with VDJ. Of course if you are running Windows XP and there are no issue then stick with it, but if you are using Vista then upgrade, it's so much better.
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 7:19 am
DJ Cyder
Considering today is Friday, I would hope people are waiting till Sunday to install.
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 7:27 am
GadgetMan
DJ Cyder wrote :
Considering today is Friday, I would hope people are waiting till Sunday to install.
LOL @DJ Cyder
I would hope people are waiting longer than that... If possible installing on a diffeernt lappy/PC/Mac - if possible - and doing some prpoer stress testing!!!
Rpy
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 8:15 am
listen2
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 8:24 am
yk23
Man, I think you sold me on sticking with Win98.
-David
-David
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 8:51 am
djrenee
How about this: I have three machines, all three are running VISTA and all three run PREFECTLY with absolutely no issues. (2) of them are dedicated VDJ machines and they have been running crash free video for 11 months straight . (3-4 nights per week, 5 hours per night)
So rather than buying Win-7 I think I’ll buy something I can really use like more SHOES.
So rather than buying Win-7 I think I’ll buy something I can really use like more SHOES.
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 10:01 am
djles.co.uk
djrenee wrote :
How about this: I have three machines, all three are running VISTA and all three run PREFECTLY with absolutely no issues. (2) of them are dedicated VDJ machines and they have been running crash free video for 11 months straight . (3-4 nights per week, 5 hours per night)
So rather than buying Win-7 I think I’ll buy something I can really use like more SHOES.
So rather than buying Win-7 I think I’ll buy something I can really use like more SHOES.
Wow! Renee, they are soooooo sexy......... erm........ what were we talking about??? Lol
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 10:24 am
jimmy b
The upgrade doesn't worry me at all!!!!
I have just ordered the Windows 7 family upgrade pack for £129.99 from Amazon. This pack allows 3 installs.
I'll be installing a copy on mine and my girlfriends Vista home PC's leaving one more install for my gig laptop. Once I have tested both DJ software I use VirtualDJ and Mixvibes Cross on my home PC and I'm happy with the results and performance with both I will eventually install Windows 7 on my gig machine.
Job done!!!
Posted Fri 23 Oct 09 @ 12:41 pm
