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jimmy b wrote :

Well, I see it is, if there is no contact or invoicing going on, then you can do what you like, lol

If you like the venue and they are happy with you, get them to dump the agency and take you on as there resident DJ.




exactly my thought s...sort of. I will let him keep the venue if i move on. I will tell owners they need to fire company and contact me if i move on....but most importantly i am just using this as a stepping stone. I have other clients ect i want to approach and it has a lot better clout when i say i am here and here weekly.
 
jimmy b wrote :

Well, I see it is, if there is no contact or invoicing going on, your basically a free agent, you can do what you like, lol

If you like the venue and they are happy with you, get them to dump the agency and take you on as there resident DJ.



(1) If you invite your own perspective clients in to see you then you have every right to work for them independently becasue you found them and he did not send them in to see you.

(2) For the job he booked you for you have an obligation to pay the cut because that was your agreement as long as you work at that company (and if he is smart his contract with the owner will prevent the owner from hiring you independently anyway).

(3) If you are a salaried employee or you have a contract (verbal or written) that you are to represent HIS company at the events he books you at then you state to perspective clients that approach you at HIS events you work for his company and you give them HIS card but with your personal number on it (as a back up or for more information) and they can always tell him they want you as their Dj and he should pay you your normal rate PLUS a sales commission (or reduced cut on his end) for getting the booking for him. If he for whatever reason he will not provide them with you as the Dj and they do not contract with him then you are free to do the booking on your own...bu the should get first option to book you out.

(4) If you are booked as an independent contractor with no agreement to promote his company in exchange for a commission on referrals you are absolutely free to work for anybody that is not already his client on your own regardless of whether they approached you at an event he booked or not.

Just my humble opinion.....the bottom line determining factor is: overall do you make more money with him booking you, taking a cut, handling all the business hassles and promoting and selling expesnses or you absorbing all the expenses and hassles but booking your own shows?
 
ok here is part 2. I was just asked to go out to a sit down lunch with the guy. i thought the whole contract issue was going to be brought up.... nope what he wanted was to know if i had in mind other places to target for future gigs and set up a time next week that we both go out to gether and get new clients ( all i heard in my head was richard pryor saying 'yeah, suck my d--k) so that shows what the real deal is . he came out saw me djing and realized i was compitition and wants me to help him. I know plenty of dj's and promoters in the area and NONE of them heard of him or his company. Nor does his company have an account at sam ash or guitar center....not a big deal but i have an account at those and get major discounts. so bottom line how i see it is. i will continue doing the bar i am at for now. I am not one to leave anyone high and dry but also I am in this for me. I also feel in the long run our ideas dont really blend. I still have the dj as a performer mentality and he is more of the just fill a spot guy.
 
I really appreciate you guys sharing your thoughts on this. gives me some insight as to how things work on a business level.

Sirkit, I can hardly read your posts... I read two words, (titties) two more words (titties) two more words (titties) and so on. ; )

Pardon my crudeness ladies.
 
ha that will change today new logo will be designed
 
sirkitbreaker wrote :
ok here is part 2. I was just asked to go out to a sit down lunch with the guy. i thought the whole contract issue was going to be brought up.... nope what he wanted was to know if i had in mind other places to target for future gigs and set up a time next week that we both go out to gether and get new clients ( all i heard in my head was richard pryor saying 'yeah, suck my d--k) so that shows what the real deal is . he came out saw me djing and realized i was compitition and wants me to help him. I know plenty of dj's and promoters in the area and NONE of them heard of him or his company. Nor does his company have an account at sam ash or guitar center....not a big deal but i have an account at those and get major discounts. so bottom line how i see it is. i will continue doing the bar i am at for now. I am not one to leave anyone high and dry but also I am in this for me. I also feel in the long run our ideas dont really blend. I still have the dj as a performer mentality and he is more of the just fill a spot guy.


Sonds to me like its a done deal for you, you have more contacts, you have the accounts, you are the better Dj, you can get more gigs on your own....just politely tell him no hard feelings, you appreciate the gig (gigs) he has gotten you but you have decided you have reached the point in your career you need to concentrate on developing your own business and it is time to part ways. If he is a friend he will understand and be glad for your motivation and wish you well......if he is just a snake as you seem to think, good riddance anyway.
 
thing is part of me knows the power of networking. so i really dont want to cut him off just make sure things stay in perspective and seperate... what i do with him is ALL i do with him and what i do on my own has NOTHING to do with him so basically saying I dont owe him anything but the cut on established gigs. If i appraoch bar 219 and he does or did in the past or currently has someone there. I want it to be MY gig if they contact me. I hope i am making sence i just need everone elses input cause i am new to the whole agent thing
 
I'm with Jimmy, but check the extent of the agencies reach.

You dont want to annoy them if they have massive venues on the books, but at the same time if your not getting a massive amount of work then go for it.

Tricky one, just check they don't run anywhere massive, if you need to get into someplace they have in later life it may prove tricky
but essentially remember they are getting a cut of your hard work for taking one phone call and then phoning you.

I thnk
I have over used the word massive, but nevermind
 
devdev wrote :
but essentially remember they are getting a cut of your hard work for taking one phone call and then phoning you.


this is what agencies do, they source the venue, make the contact and set up the contract. depending on how they work will put in their own guy and give him a fixed fee or sub contract it out when busy to a reputable dj and give him an agreed fixed fee, where both parties are mutually happy with, to go to the venue, represent their company, and put on a goodnight.

now if the sub contract dj is approached by the venue they and not the dj are breaking their side of the contract with the agency and whatever terms they have in place with them, on the dj's side i would still feel professionally obliged to inform the agency of the situation.

be careful doing business with a venue who quite clearly are not professional in their business dealings and any contract they may want to tie you up in....
 


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