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Ok i just recently started with a new mobile company. I have no real contract with them. They sent me to a spot and i collect the money and they get thier cut. Now here is the deal I have already doubled the attendance at the spot. People asking me for my contact info. Do I give them me or the mobile company. Here are my thoughts. I am self employed. My relationship with the Mobile company is STILL me being self employed i am just working a gig. I would never take the spot they sent me to but I also feel I am not promoting the company. This is me marketing DJ SirKit Breaker. The guest know nothing about the company so if they are asking about a DJ they are asking about me. So do I hand out my card? send them to my website or do I say here is my company contact them and ask for me. I already have an idea of what i plan to do, just want others suggestions
 
Posted Sun 11 Jan 09 @ 3:35 pm
Hy sirkitbreaker,
maybe it's easy.
Make some new cards with your name, homepage .... (big) and the contact of the company (smaler) at the end.
Win-Win
But you, on the first!

"Hey here is my card, you can contact me direct or over my partner's/mobile company"

One thought.
Bye
Haui
 
When peeps come up to you, they are interested in your person as a dj. As you run your own company and only work as a sub-contractor i would say advertise yourself more than the other company that got you the gig. Sth like, "im sirkit, this is MY card, i have a company called XY, i do this and that and sometimes other stuff like sub-working for another company as a self employee." Keep it real and true, i am sure you dont want to piss the other company off by stepping on their toes. But keep in mind you work for YOURSELF, you dont have any real contract with them..... would you as a dj advertise a promoter? Plain simple: Give them your contact-data, period.

Just my 2 cent, cheerio
 
Haui70 wrote :
Hy sirkitbreaker,
maybe it's easy.
Make some new cards with your name, homepage .... (big) and the contact of the company (smaler) at the end.
Win-Win
But you, on the first!

"Hey here is my card, you can contact me direct or over my partner's/mobile company"

One thought.
Bye
Haui


ok here is my main problem with that route. I lose a cut if i work in a gig with the 'company' I get the money and pay a cut. the club just knows the dj get x amount of dollars. Honestly i still say i am in this for myself. I a club owner offers me twice as much for a saturday night i would go for it. Is that wrong?
 
Ask the company you're working for what you should do. They hired you, as a representative of their company, to go and do a job. You're not representing yourself, you're representing them. It kinda sucks, but thats the way I see it. Otherwise, it's a conflict of interest and I would think the company could sue. If they're cool, I don't imagine they would mind you getting work on the side.

CRash
 
cant sue without a contract. but honestly if they say i can't hand out my card or work on the side. cause thats how they found me i was working on my own . i would walk/ My main point is the people at the bar know nothing about the company. to be exact the employees dont know that i was sent by someone else. only the main owner. So if i give them the company info and they dont they a hold of me that could very well be a lost customer. I dont want to brag but even the bartenders were stating how much they liked what i have done. It's a sports bar and I turned brought in a younger crowd and have people actually dancing next to the pool tables. This past week I had older people showing the younger crowd thier dances while the younger crowd was teaching the older crowd the cupid shuffle and soulja boy
 
I think it always the same question; Is the glas half empty or half full?

Right you loose a cut, but on the other side you win before a gig through the company.

If you dont mean this partnership is for a long time, look at yourself!
But for a long partnership i think it's necessary to be a partner.

If i'm the partner and hear that my arrange DJ work for his own, i will take the next time a Dj who want to be partner.

Thats why i said Win-Win, put you on first place, you are on stage!
I believe the most people contact you, because they seen you! Not the company!

My position.
 
CRashster wrote :
You're not representing yourself, you're representing them.
CRash


honestly i can say i do not agree with that. I represent myself and my craft. I am a dj not an employee.
 
At HAUI ---

good point I do not see this as a partnership :) I use my own equiptment my on music ect. Honestly i am djing a spot he would of lost cause no one could cover it. I most likely would of had the spot eventually anyways :) but like you say if it was a true partnership I would invest in the company. but without getting anything from the company i dont see a reason to advance his income
 
sirkitbreaker wrote :
CRashster wrote :
You're not representing yourself, you're representing them.
CRash


honestly i can say i do not agree with that. I represent myself and my craft. I am a dj not an employee.


Didn't you say "They sent me"?

CRash
 
Tell them exactly what is happening
that patrons are asking for your contact info.. of course let them know why....(they love you)

Let the company know that you are going to give out your contact.. that is the decision that you should make

See if they are cool with it...I know they will have a problem with it.. but it is better than them just finding out that this is what you do
But if you are good... you are good..... and they will recognize that
keeping you for the gigs may still be better for them......

If they do not book you for other gigs so be it... at least you told them.... you are an honest man...
 
CRashster wrote :
sirkitbreaker wrote :
CRashster wrote :
You're not representing yourself, you're representing them.
CRash


honestly i can say i do not agree with that. I represent myself and my craft. I am a dj not an employee.


Didn't you say "They sent me"?

CRash



yes i did but again i think you are missing my point as a dj i represent myself. I mentioned before the customers and employees dont know there is a company. If things dont go right they dont say x-company sucks they say dj sirkitbreaker sucks.
 
I guess another point to add is this is exactly how the company found me. I was djing they came to the club got my info. Later on thanksgiving week end they called me cause they were over booked and needed someone to cover a spot for them. I never looked at it as joining thier company. To me they have just hired a dj. They are my client and the venue is just the reception hall so to speak
 
sirkitbreaker wrote :
I guess another point to add is this is exactly how the company found me. I was djing they came to the club got my info. Later on thanksgiving week end they called me cause they were over booked and needed someone to cover a spot for them. I never looked at it as joining thier company. To me they have just hired a dj. They are my client and the venue is just the reception hall so to speak


I say it's cool then. Sounds like it's a company that will only use you in some sort of emergency situation. If you didn't join the company I say ,no harm ,no foul. Do what you want to do.

CRash
 
Hy sirkitbreaker,
after a sleepless night because thinking about your problem (;-) and reading the last post of Crash and digitalwiz.
I agree for them.

If you only a emergency DJ with a redlight on your head, work for your own and do the digitalwiz way.
Sounds good for you and save your face!

But when you became a real partnership, maybe you have a look back to this thread!

Best wishes for the future
Haui

PS: I hope your avatar pic is from your own staff ;-)
 
sirkitbreaker wrote :
I guess another point to add is this is exactly how the company found me. I was djing they came to the club got my info. Later on thanksgiving week end they called me cause they were over booked and needed someone to cover a spot for them. I never looked at it as joining thier company. To me they have just hired a dj. They are my client and the venue is just the reception hall so to speak



Do you think this booking agency will book more gigs for you? In the future?
If so, they should get a booking cut (around 10-20% is fair, if more get a new agency).

The question is really not about you being a partner in the company, most DJs arent partners in the booking company.
But many local djs get a lot of gigs from such booking agencies...

So the question is if you want to bite the hand that feeds you, or of that hand dont really feed you much.

Because getting your own gigs directly from clients they introduced you to, might lead to the end of your relationship with this booking company.

If you think they will get you many gigs, give out your business card, but make sure they book you through "your" agency when they do call.
If the booking agency dont give you much gigs at all, get the gigs directly from clients.
 
dj-in-norway wrote :
sirkitbreaker wrote :
I guess another point to add is this is exactly how the company found me. I was djing they came to the club got my info. Later on thanksgiving week end they called me cause they were over booked and needed someone to cover a spot for them. I never looked at it as joining thier company. To me they have just hired a dj. They are my client and the venue is just the reception hall so to speak



Do you think this booking agency will book more gigs for you? In the future?
If so, they should get a booking cut (around 10-20% is fair, if more get a new agency).

The question is really not about you being a partner in the company, most DJs arent partners in the booking company.
But many local djs get a lot of gigs from such booking agencies...

So the question is if you want to bite the hand that feeds you, or of that hand dont really feed you much.

Because getting your own gigs directly from clients they introduced you to, might lead to the end of your relationship with this booking company.

If you think they will get you many gigs, give out your business card, but make sure they book you through "your" agency when they do call.
If the booking agency dont give you much gigs at all, get the gigs directly from clients.


they are asking for more than 20% so that may be the main reason behind my rant. The client is a sports bar. I am never going to appraoch the bar for work on my own. Its the customers that say i have this or that and need a dj. or anouth bar promoter out for the night asking what am i doing on mondays.

Now here is the dig. He tells me of the 2000 dollar gigs he and his guys did over the week end, While what i did for him was a 300 dollar gig plus he gets his cut. He talks about gear he ordered for one of his guys where i am required to use my own music equiptment and speakers and he asked for lights but i dont own lights so instead of offering me some to use he just tells the client there will be no lights. About booking more gigs...who knows What i do know is i had to turn down higher paying gigs cause i was doing a gig for him.
also he metioned to me about a vast library of music that he has available. I asked for some top country selections mainly cause i don't know country and would like to listen to some to see how it would fit ect. well he said in order to even see his library ( or get music from him i guess is what he meant by 'see') i would have to sign a contract to be exclusive in the area to him. Thar will NEVER happen
 
just out of interest whos invoicing who. if your doing the invoice then you are the main contractor. if other venues are aproching you give them your details. just because the agency got you into the venue doesent mean you cant give your details to others who are intrested in hireing you unless you have some form of contract or terms and conditions that may have been created when you first signed up with the agent
 
mattpattie wrote :
just out of interest whos invoicing who. if your doing the invoice then you are the main contractor. if other venues are aproching you give them your details. just because the agency got you into the venue doesent mean you cant give your details to others who are intrested in hireing you unless you have some form of contract or terms and conditions that may have been created when you first signed up with the agent


invoicing interesting. I am really not sure. I get paid from the register every night. I then give the company their cut on the following monday or tuesday. So again I never signed up with said company. Its all verbal and all that is said is can you dj one saturdays at this spot ?
 

Well, I see it is, if there is no contact or invoicing going on, your basically a free agent, you can do what you like, lol

If you like the venue and they are happy with you, get them to dump the agency and take you on as there resident DJ.

 
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