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Topic: 32 beat marker select button & 32 beat "loop" button which is so needed. - Page: 1

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A 32 beat marker select button so you select the button and a marker shows up every 32 beats, does'nt matter what colour, so you can quickly scroll to the point in the song you desire, say if you need to cut a song in quick and need to quickly scroll along the waveform to 32, 64, 96 beat along, you can quickly drag/scroll along the waveform get the position you desire, then turn off the "32 beat bar" marker button it would so be called, or leave it on if you would like to use again, whatever!

And also a 32 beat bar loop button next to the 16 bar loop button, it so needs one, that is the whole idea of a song is;nt it its main change in song composition is every 32 beats or has a chrash or whatever. It so needs it! Its only ONE extra button. Come on VDJ i say it definetly needs it, its not much to ask.

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Posted Sun 28 Sep 08 @ 3:09 am
You can add the button to a skin yourself, or you can create a keyboard shortcut, or a MIDI shortcut, or use a controller which has a button mapped for 32 beat loops.

I'll be honest though, I don't tend to use 32 beat loops that much myself.

Plenty of options out there ;)
 
Just set a keyboard shortcut for "skip_beat" to 32 bars. Personally, I use cue points to mark my bar segments with (and the skip_beat shortcut makes the process of setting those cues a lot quicker).
 
Seriously you are missing the point!

Key board shortcuts suck! No one wants to look down at the keyboard seach for the number and then try press the right button with your funger. All you wanna friggin do is have a nice little button beside the "other" loop buttons ao you know exactly where it is and you barely have to look at it to press it! Sweet as!!

Theres no use using cue markers, then you have to sit there with every song and mark out 32 beat bar sections and then you get those markers entangled, mixed up with your other cue points that you want for other reasons! You are totally missing the whole point! You want to be able to if you have to mix in a late song quickly press a "32 beat bar button" so you have quick reference points along the waveform so you can scroll/drag along to a point, wait for the 32 beat of the track playing and drop it in right on time, instead of say using the ""Keyboard" 32 beat loop button and having to listen in the headaphones for where the 32 beat is drag along without any reference and feel like you guessing when trying to find a suitable point to drop the track in. All This takes time and effort that you don't want to be bothered to put in when you can be doing other things in/with the mix!

Now do you get what iam saying??

Yeah?
 
lee eather wrote :
Key board shortcuts suck! No one wants to look down at the keyboard seach for the number and then try press the right button with your funger. All you wanna friggin do is have a nice little button beside the "other" loop buttons ao you know exactly where it is and you barely have to look at it to press it! Sweet as!!


Seriously, it's a matter of personal taste. But it's a fact that hitting a key you use often
is A LOT faster than reaching for mouse and waving it around screen.

If you prefer to do it with mouse, just ask someone to create a button for ya on the skin
you use, or research a bit and do it yourself.

The advice that was given by SBDJ & dizzyrocks2001 here is just a workaround to your
function, but does the job if you are planning ahead. Of course it won't help in a situation
that needs quick reaction. I suggested some time ago to indroduce minute markers and
time display on position where your mouse is over the waveform, which can give enough
info to an experienced dj. Honestly though, knowing what's 32 beats ahead is something
that should be already in your brain rather than on display. Helpful, but far from "needed".

My humble opinion of course.
 
Get yourself a decent MIDI controller then... IMHO using the mouse sucks too!
 
erxon wrote :

Seriously, it's a matter of personal taste. But it's a fact that hitting a key you use often
is A LOT faster than reaching for mouse and waving it around screen.


Your stupid, when loading a track, WHAT DO YOU USE? ANSWER MY QUESTION????

Ill answer it just for my sake. A MOUSE. So you already have your hand on the MOUSE, you are already looking at the screen and ALL you have to do is click a button, when your in DJ mode i guess you could call it you dont need to shift concentration, you just do it, click the loop button automatically without even really looking at it!!!!! Way less time consuming and you dont have to revert your concentration elsewhere!! ....As you are already looking at the SCREEN, not the keyboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

erxon wrote :
If you prefer to do it with mouse, just ask someone to create a button for ya on the skin
you use, or research a bit and do it yourself.


That is a good idea, sorry to call you stupid b4, got abit out of control but iam right to keep it short and sweet.

erxon wrote :
Honestly though, knowing what's 32 beats ahead is something
that should be already in your brain rather than on display. Helpful, but far from "needed"..


Your and idiot, i never should have said sorry for calling you stupid, as i explained and you obviously hav'nt taken into account in your BRAIN what i actually said, im not trying to create a argument or fight here but your not listening or understanding what iam saying here.

I have taken into consideration the suggestions about adding a button to my own skin but im not going to spend 60-70 bucks on "paintshop" to learn how to add one button to a skin thats ridiculous, although your idea on asking someone is'nt too bad.

As for the markers every 32 beats along the waveform, that is what iam saying, "If YOU DONT HAVE TIME TO LISTEN TO THE SONG" FOR WHATEVER REASON AND HAVE TO MIX IN A SONG LATE IT IS MUCH EASIER TO PRESS A BUTTON THAT SHOWS 32 BEAT MARKERS AT EVERY 32 BEAT BAR INTERVAL ALONG THE WAVEFORM OR LIKE YOU SAID WHICH IS A GOOD IDEA JUST MOVE YOUR MOUSE OVER THE WAVEFORM AND THEY APPEAR!!! WONDERFUL!!!

MR
erxon wrote :
My humble opinion of course.



SBDJ wrote :
Get yourself a decent MIDI controller then... IMHO using the mouse sucks too!


That is stupid too. Did i say i want to use a MIDI controller, thats just as gud as looking at the keyboard :nerd:
 
Sir,

I think you've managed to display your lack of understanding and good maners pretty well, so
I'm not going into discussion here. Just a piece of advice though: with such constructive attitude
don't expect people to work on solutions for your ego.

Best regards.
 
lee eather wrote :
Your stupid, when loading a track, WHAT DO YOU USE? ANSWER MY QUESTION????


Personally, I use my controller to scroll through and load tracks. No keyboard/mouse interaction required.

lee eather wrote :
Ill answer it just for my sake. A MOUSE. So you already have your hand on the MOUSE, you are already looking at the screen and ALL you have to do is click a button, when your in DJ mode i guess you could call it you dont need to shift concentration, you just do it, click the loop button automatically without even really looking at it!!!!! Way less time consuming and you dont have to revert your concentration elsewhere!! ....As you are already looking at the SCREEN, not the keyboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When I'm DJ'ing, I don't tend to watch the screen with my mouse in my hand, I'm looking at the dance floor, mixer or controller, hands ready to flick a fader, change an EQ or dial. Without having to use a mouse.

lee eather wrote :
I have taken into consideration the suggestions about adding a button to my own skin but im not going to spend 60-70 bucks on "paintshop" to learn how to add one button to a skin thats ridiculous, although your idea on asking someone is'nt too bad.


I designed my own custom skin (with 99% of the buttons removed leaving more room for the browser and video panels) with paint. Thats right paint. You could also use paint.net or GIMP. All free. If you were polite and asked nicely, someone might even do it for you!. Thats not too likely now having read your post however.

lee eather wrote :
SBDJ wrote :
Get yourself a decent MIDI controller then... IMHO using the mouse sucks too!

That is stupid too. Did i say i want to use a MIDI controller, thats just as gud as looking at the keyboard :nerd:


What?! My MIDI controller is just like a DJ CD player, and my mixer - which has MIDI support - is a fantasticly flexible mixer. Nothing like looking at a keyboard. How is staring at a computer screen with a mouse in your hand less nerdy?!

I agree with erxon, we tried to offer suggestions, but you're blatently a 10 year old child out for a troll.

Want my real opinion? A proper DJ would never been seen dead using only a mouse (and not the keyboard at all) and staring at the screen because they have no tactile feedback.

Good luck...
 
No dude, you are missing the point. I was making a suggestion so don't freak out. Your 32 bar marker in the waveform is not such a bad idea, but think of this, what if VDJ miscalculates the correct position of the marker by a bar or 3/4 of a bar, then that's pretty much gonna throw off your whole mix. At least with setting cue points you KNOW it's right. And there's no need to even hit the cue point, the cue points are there to show you where the 32 bar segment is. I can understand why you wouldn't want to take the time to set cue points ahead of time because it is a pain in the ass. But I went through that pain in the ass process and my months of hard work is paying off. But of course by posting this I've probably sent you into an uncontrollable rage. Just think of your "happy place" and you'll be ok.
 
erxon wrote :
Sir,

I think you've managed to display your lack of understanding and good maners pretty well, so
I'm not going into discussion here. Just a piece of advice though: with such constructive attitude
don't expect people to work on solutions for your ego.

Best regards.


You can't spell manners :-(

If it was'nt for youz comming in and offering all this other crap information on do this do that it would'nt have ended up this way, F*k i dont want to use a MIDI controller, i hate the things they are crap all they are good for is production thats it, i would'nt have posted this thread if i wanted to sue a MIDI controller they r f*k f*k sh*t, just piss off. I dont need your mothering! Haha just piss off, sorry moderator if this is too unformal for your forums but this is'nt the way i intended the thread to go with a bunch of wankers telling me what to do. I know what to do thats why i posted this thread with the specific points which i listed so as i could get some constructive critisism about whether my ideas were good bad or there was another way around them but instead i got told all these other stupid ways to solve my problems. I don't want to make my own skin, ffs thats half the reason why i paid 400 and whatever dollars or so, ahh theres no use. Ok maybe i got a little bit out of hand but really i wouldnt have if all these stupid heads, yes thats right stupid heads did'nt try put thier most precious ways of doing things onto me. Ffs i can do my own things the way i want to i dont need your "suggestion" or your my way is better so to speak, than yours. I can do it myself!

Yes the suggestion, ok maybe iam abit out of hand i will try to keep my cool, the suggestion that the markers should show when you move your mouse over the waveform was a good suggestion and thats what i wanted, a suggestion or help to my cause, not some "get yourself a Midi controller iam king do what i say" response which gives me no angle of which path i should go down. And, i did'nt say i wanted a MIDI controller, it is much more economical you could say to use your mouse to select buttons such as "LOOP buttons" as the PC is your focal point for what you are doing, sure you can make it less of a focal point as SBDJ said and use MIDI controller but i don't want to use a MIDI controller lol, and then, which is the same situation as the keyboard, you have more focal points in your set which you really don't want, you have to look at yur decks, look at your mixer go over to your MIDI cocntroller when really all that you want is right there in front of you on your laptop. Its not like your staring at the screen for 20-30secs its way less than that per track and you don't have to revert or think about other mind changing devices, you could say. Listen i don't want a fight here or my topic not heard because of this whatever it is, but seriously no one has really listened to or sponged what i have said.

SBDJ wrote :
When I'm DJ'ing, I don't tend to watch the screen with my mouse in my hand, I'm looking at the dance floor, mixer or controller, hands ready to flick a fader, change an EQ or dial. Without having to use a mouse.


ar'nt you just th eultra uber cool DJ then

SBDJ wrote :
I designed my own custom skin (with 99% of the buttons removed leaving more room for the browser and video panels) with paint. Thats right paint. You could also use paint.net or GIMP. All free. If you were polite and asked nicely, someone might even do it for you!. Thats not too likely now having read your post however.


Ar'nt you king again. I can't even see the whole "thread" on how to make your own screen, the screen cuts part of it, lol. I aint got no way to read the tutorial. And i could go on the internet, but was'nt told that nor was i told anything but, you can make your own skin, what the f*k kind of information is that, really. Thats just crap, and the rest.

SBDJ wrote :
What?! My MIDI controller is just like a DJ CD player, and my mixer - which has MIDI support - is a fantasticly flexible mixer. Nothing like looking at a keyboard. How is staring at a computer screen with a mouse in your hand less nerdy?!


SBDJ wrote :
Want my real opinion? A proper DJ would never been seen dead using only a mouse (and not the keyboard at all) and staring at the screen because they have no tactile feedback.

Good luck...


dizzyrocks2001 wrote :
No dude, you are missing the point. I was making a suggestion so don't freak out. Your 32 bar marker in the waveform is not such a bad idea, but think of this, what if VDJ miscalculates the correct position of the marker by a bar or 3/4 of a bar, then that's pretty much gonna throw off your whole mix. At least with setting cue points you KNOW it's right. And there's no need to even hit the cue point, the cue points are there to show you where the 32 bar segment is. I can understand why you wouldn't want to take the time to set cue points ahead of time because it is a pain in the ass. But I went through that pain in the ass process and my months of hard work is paying off. But of course by posting this I've probably sent you into an uncontrollable rage. Just think of your "happy place" and you'll be ok.


Most defeinelty. Its just that you connected alliance, for the lack of a better expression with the other king, tell you what to do people in the thread and may have said that one thing, saying that the markers along the waveform is what you suggested once, but...........I dont have the words to describe it, but in a very vague general description you beat me up wif your meshing i guess of forces. Thats as best as i could descibe it. No real concrete, proper, for the lack of a better word, information.

I don't get youz is all i can say as i dont have the words to describe it.

Blahh, weer.
 
Can someone lock out this thread already and ban this guy?
 
We do not lock threads needlessly, however I will take this opportunity to REMIND EVERYONE IT IS OK TO DISAGREE BUT YOU MUST REMAIN POLITE AND RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER AT ALL TIME!!!!! If you feel the need to be nasty take it to MSN or Skype...consider this a friendly warning....thank you.
 
I'm not saying I'm a king or some sort of uber-DJ or anything, but as someone who writes software plugins and creates my own skins for Virtual DJ, I am just trying to help. My sarcastic comments were because you threw your toys out of the pram. You seem to look down on anyone who uses a controller which just seems like a very childish attitude, especially when you are using a mouse to mix. We suggested the keyboard shortcut or skin method, you didn't like those, hence my controller suggestion.

Instead all we get are a torrent of insults.

Ayway how about this then:

You tell me what skin you are using - I'm guessing it's one of Full / FullVideo / InternalMixer?

Then I could edit the skin for you, say removing the 1/4 and 1/2 beat loops if thats OK, shuffle them along and add 32 and 64 beat loops to the end. Or leave 1/2 beat and add 32 beat. You get the idea I'm sure.

Will take me about 2 minutes, using a combination of paint and notepad. I could then upload the skin to the VDJ site and you would then be able to download it.

How does that sound?

Regards,

Scott
 
No you sound like well a wanker,

However i will take you up on that skin offer. I use the internal mixer and would like you to just dissregard the the 1/2 button, and just add the 32 that would be sufficient enough. Cheers for helping. Why did'nt you just say that in the first place instead of saying just use a MIDI controller hmm? It would have been much easier.

Thanks aye.

Lee.
 
lee eather wrote :
No you sound like well a wanker,

However i will take you up on that skin offer. I use the internal mixer and would like you to just dissregard the the 1/2 button, and just add the 32 that would be sufficient enough. Cheers for helping. Why did'nt you just say that in the first place instead of saying just use a MIDI controller hmm? It would have been much easier.

Thanks aye.

Lee.


LOLOLOLOLOLOL You call him a Wanker then u say u want his help on a skin. Unfreakin believeable. Dude u need to look closely at who puts their time into some of these awesome plugins and give them some respect. What a lot of users don't understand is most, if not all plugins are created by users who VOLUNTEER their time to help all of us users out. Think of that next time u post a negative comment to a user whom has helped most of us out and asks nothing in return.

He offered even after the name calling to help you by modifying a skin for ya and u call him a Wanker.
 
yep.
 
lee eather wrote :
Why did'nt you just say that in the first place instead of saying just use a MIDI controller hmm? It would have been much easier


Actually my first response was:

SBDJ wrote :
You can add the button to a skin yourself, or you can create a keyboard shortcut, or a MIDI shortcut, or use a controller which has a button mapped for 32 beat loops.


Which as you can see listed all easily available possibilties - and the first on that list was a skin modification. If you're going to call me a w####r, then at least get your facts right, although I will admit I don't know any men who would honestly say they never w##k!

I'm sorry, but since you seem unable to play nice, I'm retracting my offer of assistance. If your reply had of been missing it's first line I would have done it, but your attitude quite frankly stinks. Throwing your toys around may work with mummy and daddy, but it's not going to work here.

Oh, seems it's not just here he throws the attitude around either...

http://www.torq-dj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9072

Enjoy,

Scott
 
He doesn't really want anyone's help, he just wants to pick fights. Take your ball and go home already.
 
lee eather wrote :
Why did'nt you just say that in the first place instead of saying just use a MIDI controller hmm? It would have been much easier.


SBDJ wrote :


Actually my first response was:

You can add the button to a skin yourself, or you can create a keyboard shortcut, or a MIDI shortcut, or use a controller which has a button mapped for 32 beat loops.


In essence you said that (what i siad). Look i ai'nt rying to create a fight here but do you think someone like me would know how to make a skin when iam asking to add a friggin button to it!!!??? No thats why you should have offered you help in the first place instead of giving me all these options and do thiss and do that, i wanted a button on a skin not a MIDI controller, a keyboard shortcut, and i certainly aint going to let me guard down as i think you have already done Mr wanky nerdy and just act like all is ok and just write stsuff in as a response when you dont actually analyse, and properly read what a post says and what a person is trying to ask for, and you go and say all this other crap.

Iam stoked that you offered to help me but to keep it short you should have offered from the start, then this thread would'nt have turned into a monster of a list of posts!! haha.

And i wank to my friend but certainly chicks are much better i would'nt go and emphasise the abundance and likelyness of men who wank to maybe make myself (you) seem less of a wanker. :-( ha

SBDJ wrote :
Which as you can see listed all easily available possibilties - and the first on that list was a skin modification. If you're going to call me a w####r, then at least get your facts right, although I will admit I don't know any men who would honestly say they never w##k!

I'm sorry, but since you seem unable to play nice, I'm retracting my offer of assistance. If your reply had of been missing it's first line I would have done it, but your attitude quite frankly stinks. Throwing your toys around may work with mummy and daddy, but it's not going to work here.


Hey retract iffyou feel i think, well you are all a buch of wankers. yep thats rite wankers pure and simple wankers, only wankers gang up and use any means possible to i guess make themselves loook better and ass bang each other and use the result of thier lack of wit and tack which is your downfall, to make themselves believe they know what they are talking about. Pehh, ah im outa here, err.

SBDJ wrote :
Oh, seems it's not just here he throws the attitude around either...

http://www.torq-dj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9072


Haha you searched my name, in need of some extra facts to back up your insecure side aye?

SBDJ wrote :
Enjoy,



Scott



This forum is shit, a whole buch of wankers, who ass bang each otha and think they know it all. Hav'nt you eva heard of human instinct or something like that, you seem to be like robots who ass bang each otha. anyways i've had enough, i'de prefer to not know how to make a skin then to ask on this forum, ha you all bunch of wankers.

Goodbye.

Peace.

Im certainly not like this on other forums except for torq must be something in the air!

Youz are shit.
 
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