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Topic: to be secretive... or to be proud??!!

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I started using VDJ about a year and 4 months ago. I mainly got into it because of the many features other DJ applications out there lacked. (ei. video, clean seamless looping, etc)
Since then I have worked my ass off getting my video library up in order. Remixing, editing, cleaning up audio, etc.

We all know that DJ-ing can be very competitive and cut throat at times. So in my initial battle to be "ahead of the game" so to speak, I only told a select few close DJ friends about what I would consider the best kept secret in the DJ world... Virtual DJ.

For the first few months of doing professional gigs showcasing video mixing using TCV and the Ecler Mixer (midi to crossfade videos, etc) I kept telling spectators and some inquiring DJ's that I am beta testing some software from over seas. (I am in the United States). For most part it was true because I was testing it live. But since then I have found myself in a bigger arena than some of the Houston Texas nightclubs, bars and parties I had before.


I am in Las Vegas now about to work in the 2nd or 3rd largest nightclub in Vegas. Polly Esther's of Las Vegas will opens March 15th (www.pollyestherslv.com). Since being here and talking to locals and meeting with some well known DJ's in the area I have found that they ALL use Serato ... duh... of course. I found it silly that here in Las Vegas which is like the entertainment mecca there is absolutely NO ONE using the Virtual DJ solution in any of the nightclubs!! (check the VDJ user map for las vegas) I may be wrong... but as far I have found... no one is using them at the main clubs (Jet, Pure, Tao, etc).

My involvement in the club is Head DJ. When the club opens we will have FAST computers using Virtual DJ to mix videos in all 4 rooms!! Only one other DJ coming from San Antonio to work here knows the Numark version Cue. He has only been using it for a couple of months. So other than that... no one uses it!! I believe after the club opens and local DJ's and other customers come in and see Virtual DJ being used in a major Las Vegas nightclub successfully to mix videos using TCV and midi compatible mixers (pioneer DJM-800, Ecler Nuo 4) they will HAVE to know what that is we are using!!!


The other day I was testing out the DJ booths for vibrations so I brought my personal set up in and started playing. Well one of the resident DJ's coming in from San Fransisco is a bull-headed Serato user. After a quick demo with VDJ, Serato Soundcard, Ecler Mixer, TCV's combo mixing video.. and letting him play.. testing the latency, etc... He was sold!! Now he can't wait to use the set up I am configuring for each room. This club is 26,000 sq ft. Has four rooms spanning 4 decades. Come pick a decade and party!! 70's 80's 90's & 2000+ It will be a fun different environment than any other club concept in Vegas now. We have had several locations nationwide since it conception back in 1991.


I worked the Houston location from 1999 to 2003. That was one of the main reasons I was able to get the position here. Throughout the time I was always pushing video as a concept in the Houston location. Using just consumer grade DVD players I complied DVD compilations of movie clips, music videos, etc. to be played all the time there. Having a genre like 70's or 80's is a very good way to bring back those memories with the videos as well. They loved that I did that there.

I ended doing guest spots at the San Antonio location as well because I do video. That was WAY before the Pioneer Turntable DVD players hit the market. I thought it was silly that I was just using regular DVD players and custom made DVD's to play videos and they absolutely thought it was the shit! I did do some custom edits and exclusive versions of videos as well to help. But to go from that limited technology to what we have now with the digital manipulation is crazy!! I can't wait to really showcase Virtual DJ in this great venue in Las Vegas.

I have turned from a somewhat secretive user of VDJ to a very proud promoter of this great software/hardware digital DJ solution!! I will have NO PROBLEMS telling everyone GO AND BUY VIRTUAL DJ!!! Spread the word!!

On a side note related to this topic.

There is a kind of well known DJ locally (west coast anyways) who "claims" to have started the video mash-up genre. I will not say his name because I don't want to promote any negative vibes at all here. Just something I thought was interesting.

Him and his crew go around and get LARGE paying gigs claiming to be the first to do this video thing with turntables... video mash ups... blah blah blah.. Well they met me and I had a sit down with them. They are cool guys but I noticed they were intrigued that I actually got VDJ to work solid. They have had issues getting it to work on their laptops. I told them that was their first mistake... using laptops.

Long story short... they know I am putting virtual DJ on all the computers along with an enormous video library in the whole club. They feel threaten that OTHERS may find out what we are all using and they could be not-so cutting edge anymore. They charge alot to do the video shows and I understand that. But their concern is that any DJ can now get a copy of VDJ, get videos and make Video DJ-ing very mainstream thus driving the price down. Valid concern for business I suppose. I feel that it will happen anyways. Look at Serato.

I was using that when it first came out and NO ONE heard of it then. All the DJ's were still bringing crates of records and/or using PCDJ. Now EVERYONE is using Serato or at least knows about it. This will happen with Virtual DJ/ Virtual Vinyl as well. Being one of the only applications to do video as good as it can will the be the leap forward. And following the great community and support that VDJ has, it makes it the longevity increased.

I know some of you out there are only bedroom DJ's, hobbiest and not professional DJ's making a living ONLY DJ-ing. Maybe one day you will end up making it your sole income. Who knows. The point it is we are all using this great product and if you like it ... tell a friend!!

For the professional DJ's I would think trying to keep this a trade secret is only going to cause more stress that you need. Think of how many graphic design firms out there who weren't using Photoshop at first. Then it is the standard now. Accounting firms using pen and paper and now using professional accounting software as the standard.

Depending on your skills what you have to offer to your paying public will reflect your success in this business. On... don't forget attitude as well. Have a good attitude and who knows where you may end up!! :-)
 

Posted Thu 08 Mar 07 @ 11:08 pm
low-fat-al wrote :



I have turned from a somewhat secretive user of VDJ to a very proud promoter of this great software/hardware digital DJ solution!! I will have NO PROBLEMS telling everyone GO AND BUY VIRTUAL DJ!!! Spread the word!!



TOTALLY recognise myself in your story... Its very much like my own. I too saw others use PCDJ or CDs, and saw VDJ as my secret tool, even made changes to skin to hide my tool from curious fellow djs..hehe

Now, I dont anymore... I tell those who wanna know ;) But they arent getting a copy of my harddrive to go with that (Some ask.. lol.. hate that, when they friend djs want to copy your whole collection.. THAT is for sure my tool, and my tool to have for myself)



low-fat-al wrote :



There is a kind of well known DJ locally (west coast anyways) who "claims" to have started the video mash-up genre. Him and his crew go around and get LARGE paying gigs claiming to be the first to do this video thing with turntables... video mash ups... blah blah blah.. Well they met me and I had a sit down with them. They are cool guys but I noticed they were intrigued that I actually got VDJ to work solid.

They feel threaten that OTHERS may find out what we are all using and they could be not-so cutting edge anymore. They charge alot to do the video shows and I understand that. But their concern is that any DJ can now get a copy of VDJ, get videos and make Video DJ-ing very mainstream thus driving the price down. Valid concern for business I suppose. I feel that it will happen anyways.




That is so true.. The video djs that videmix A to B now, will be challenged very soon by other djs, when video mixng (and VDJ ) becomes more common, much the same as SSL djs with audio evolved. In the end, the best of the trade, will be the ones doing the best gigs.. So its back to normal again ;)


I will say though, video mixing will probably evolve LOTS over the next two years... From regular A to B "mtv broadcast mix" , to more video effects, video samples, video overlays etc. And the ones with the best tools and skills, will win the race for best gigs.

So those mash-up video dudes, and you, shouldnt have to worry.. you started early, and are ahead, and will be ahead... you got longer experience with videos ;)

 

Very good post, and let me be the first to wish you luck in your new club.
 

dj-in-norway wrote :

.. But they arent getting a copy of my harddrive to go with that (Some ask.. lol.. hate that, when they friend djs want to copy your whole collection.. THAT is for sure my tool, and my tool to have for myself)



if I had a dollar for everyone who has asked to get a copy of my collection...

As matter of fact the DJ from San Fransisco who will be working with us was interested in getting together with me soon (new best friend all of sudden) and swapping files... this is after of course he saw how extensive, organized and thorough the video library was. I wish I would have filmed his expression when I replied to this question from him,".. so when can you install this on my computer?"... my reply,"go buy it and install it yourself!!" ... funny and priceless..

It is the whole instant gratification that some DJ's want. There few like myself who actually take the time to do research, test, configure, rip, tag, assemble, etc... to get where we are at now. I actually gained like 20 pounds this past year from being in front of the computer so much. I feel it reflects on how much knowledge I have gained... or at least that is what tell people as I grab my newly added belly. "I am this much smarter now!!"
 

You know Al its very good to see you posting here. For those that don't know al was pretty helpful in the development in the gen-3 vinyls. One of the most vocal members I've seen in a long time and not to mention a hell of a nice guy. We here at Atomix our very proud to support his efforts in this new club in the entertainment capital of the wold. Its an honor to have VDJ working video in all 4 rooms. With some of the fastest pc's I've ever seen. AMD based of course ;) We had a few hang ups along the way I hope Al posts his ultimate vj machine specs here its by far the most stable vj machine I've ever seen running xp pro. Congrats my friend.
 

Definately congrats low-fat-al on your contributions to VDJ products and and promoting it as well, as Cyder has pointed out.

I'm doing the same with a little help from my friends higher up in the industry than just the club circuit (93.5 KDAY, 105.9 Power106, Beat Junkies, etc.) to raise awareness for VDJ/VV and our Visual Turtablism movement because they/we will take it far beyond our local area.

I hope to meet up with you though sometime since we're from the same area low-fat-al.

Just wondering, are the self proclaimed video mashup "OG's" that you're speaking of at Club Vegas?

- VT ConQuest
(Visual Turntablist)
 

DJ Cyder wrote :
We here at Atomix our very proud to support his efforts in this new club in the entertainment capital of the wold. Its an honor to have VDJ working video in all 4 rooms. With some of the fastest pc's I've ever seen. AMD based of course ;)

We had a few hang ups along the way I hope Al posts his ultimate vj machine specs here its by far the most stable vj machine I've ever seen running xp pro.

Congrats my friend.



Thanks Cyder!!

I was on a budget so I did what I could anyways...
Here is the specs of what we built:

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor
MOBO: ASUS M2N Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 430 MCP
Memory: Kingston HyperX 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel
Hard Drives: OS- Western Digital Raptor WD740ADFD 74GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150
Media- Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3750640AS 750GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s
Video Card: ASUS EN8800GTS/HTDP/640M GeForce 8800GTS 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP

all that was bought at NewEgg.com

it smokes!!
 

AL,

What was the total cost on those machines? Just in case anyone was wondering.
 

I believe it came close to $1800 each computer. I wish I could have spent a little more and got a rack mount case... but my boss was letting me know to keep within a budget. But I am still very happy and fortunate to have some very fast machines to use in this venue!!

:-)
 

Hey low-fat-al,

I'm about to start aproaching places as well about video DJ'g - there's a few venues here that might be interested. As the Club I work at isn;t interested at all about video,
How did you approach this venue? - common network contacts?
Did they Seek you out?

Just wondering since I've built this machine and worked the bugs out - I want to use it.


And Congrats on the Major League Gig.
 

I didn't approach them about getting video in the club as shot in the dark. I have history with this company. I have worked with this company before back in mid 1999 through late 2003. 4 1/2 years total.

I also did a 2 part custom produced DVD compilation that was sold to the 20+ locations nationwide at the time. The 70's, 80's concept of the club called for some very specific programming and me being a visionary at the time was drawn to the potential of the music videos being played through out the night. The 2 DVD's I made had some rare music videos, some exclusively produced videos like a version of Staying Alive by the Bee Gee's using scenes from the movie Saturday Night Fever for the whole video. There was also some memorable short movie clips to drop at times and the DVD's were labeled to be only used at the Polly Esther locations. I made those back in 2000 when DVD burners were selling for $700 and blank DVD's were $14 each.

My old general manager/close friend back then got the job offer for the Vegas location and threw my name in the hat as a resident DJ's. I came to Vegas and gave them a short video mix demo on DVD. talked money and guaranteed shifts... and now I am here. Being I am very technically skilled and seasoned high volume nightclub DJ helped with their decision as well. I know the concept of the club, can work all formats in all four rooms, etc.

I am just very grateful that I am here now and able to use such a great product like VDJ to use to excel in the entertainment business even more. The more I play with video mixing... the more I have to pinch myself... "is this real?" I would have never thought this possible when I first bought my first Technic Turntables back in 1990... still have them today.. and using them.

It is NOW full circle... old school meets new school!!

 

Not that I am on a mission or anything but I seem to be turning more and more heads with showing VDJ to some of the DJ's I meet in Las Vegas so far. Some of them are auditioning for a possible DJ positions at the club. Everyone expect for one DJ were Serato users. After showing quick run down on VDJ and video mixing with Serato's sound card and using the Ecler mixer... well let's just say they were drooling... and practically humping my leg. I wish I worked on commission with both VDJ and Ecler. But one common statement most of them said after looking through my library of videos and playing with the VDJ... ,"we need to hook up and swap files.." too funny... not going to happen. Suddenly I am every Vegas DJ's best friend.

I give it a few months and other DJ's in this town will learn more and more about VDJ and the full potential of using it with video mixing. This being a very influential city with the industry may actually hurt Serato and Pioneer (DVJ's) sales... oh well... go with what works best!!
 



Awesome promotional work Low-Fat-Al;) And hope you start rolling snowball.. Vegas is a place to start that;)
 

low-fat-al wrote :
I give it a few months and other DJ's in this town will learn more and more about VDJ and the full potential of using it with video mixing. This being a very influential city with the industry may actually hurt Serato and Pioneer (DVJ's) sales... oh well... go with what works best!!


THAT is why I've been so vocal for months about launching a crusade in the name of VDJ/VV and what myself and now several other high profile turnatblists/dj's are calling Visual Turntablism (and Visual DJ'ing).

Just look at the desperation and paranoia I caused with the resident at the venue that I demoed at last week after only 1 performance! =P

That's why my personal saying is and for years has been, "I'm not responsible for other peoples lack of FORESIGHT, much less their ignorance".

"Accept, adapt, or die" is what we all say.

Keep it moving low-fat-al, and good job! =)
 

OK
Here is my story.

First of all I am a mobile dj. I play mostly in hotels for weddings and private parties.
I used to play with Traktor for six months. Then I started collecting videos and after waiting 3 months for PCDJ-VJ to be released , I bought VDJ. I use it with a DAC-3 controller.

So last Friday I was in a big club in my city (Nicosia)(I forgot to tell you that I am from Cyprus, a small island in the Mediterranean Sea) .
The dj was playing 70ies & 80ies. The club has 2 projectors and that night some video content was shown. NOT WHAT YOU THING. Just dvd player connected.

I was waiting until 4:00 am , to talk to the dj. He told me that he had some videos on a tape and he went to a studio to make 4 dvds playing that night.
I asked him if he is interested in Video Djing.
Here is his answer: ''I am thinking to buy the Pionner Dvd players.''
The dj didn't even play with a pc. He still plays with cds.
When I told him about VDJ he said he would love to see it.

I am proud to use VDJ because I feel like I am in a big family.

I visit the forum everyday. It is like my daily newspaper.
The information I collect is priceless.

Using VDJ is the easiest part. The difficult part is to make a video collection (currently 3000) and learn video editing programs, video conversions , formats etc. It is not just mp3s.

VOB,AVI,MPEG,DIVX,MKV,MP4,FLV,M2V,MATROSKA,SWF,GVI,WMV,RM,MOV,3GP,ASF,MPE are some of the video formats.

My point is that you cannot call yourself Video-Dj just because you use VDJ. I study everyday for a year and still I feel like I know the half of the video-editing-mixing.

When I talked about Video-Djing to the owner of the club I 've been last Friday, it seem to me that he didn't realised what I do. So now, I am trying to make a demo-dvd with my logo. Maybe he will understand.



I only
 

djtonis69 wrote :
When I talked about Video-Djing to the owner of the club I 've been last Friday, it seem to me that he didn't realised what I do. So now, I am trying to make a demo-dvd with my logo. Maybe he will understand.


Good job, and that is exactly what needs to be done. That AND set up a live demo with them, preferrably before the club opens.

I took my crew partner (Icy Ice) to make a very short DVD demo last month (at the request of a major music magazine). I gave that same demo to a club GM and I set-up a pre-club demo for the following week, because I was convinced that this is a much easier sell if it's seen and experienced first hand, but a DVD "leave behind" is a must as well.

I was hesitant to do the demo with my MK2 controller instead of on turntables, but I just couldn't wait any longer for VDJ/VV for Mac and am not happy about having to buy the new 3rd gen TCV's since I bought the 2nd gen TCV's for nothing. Here they sit, completely brand new and completely useless. I only take them with me to show my turntablist partners and friends that there is a TCV solution, and now tell them that there are MUCH better TCV's available. Even with that though, they don't care if there's no Mac version which they all use.

But yes, a DVD demo either given before hand with a live demo having been booked or given after the live demo is a must. But a live demo is a must too IMO.

Just beware of talentless, paranoid resident dj's that might think you're trying to "gig snake". Try to make sure you deal with only cool people and state your intentions upfront (as I always do) so that everybody's on the same page and working together to better the venue for the staff and the experience for the patrons. =)
 

Long time no see ConQuest, I like your title :)))
 



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