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Forum: Wishes and new features

Topic: Master EQ
Hi!

Since Pioneer once again released their flagship mixer "Pioneer V10" with a Master Equalizer and people point out that this is one of the best features on this mixer, I can't resist to emphasize the importance of a simple but effective Master EQ in our beloved and undisputed best DJ software on the market!

It's not that hard to implement and it would elevate the user experience by a lot.

(And no, please don't bring up some master-effect-equalizer-workarounds, these don't work without interfering to much in any kind of the overall workflow.)

Genuinely, please give us this feature!


- Thank you very much in advance!
 
Posted 20 hours ago
Just curious, how does VirtualDJ having a built in EQ applied on master differ from a VST EQ applied on master?
Is it that it is preferred to smartly apply it at a deck level and then shift to master when all mixer channels are dedicated to a specific VirtualDJ instance?

I ask this because implementing it software wise will always have that problem vs it being implemented in the hardware (which can always be applied on master, regardless of what software/source is sending to its channels).
 
Playing devil's advocade here, if it was so important then why don't all DJ mixers/controllers and all DJ software already have a master EQ? It just seems that it's now only become "important" (to some) because Pioneer did it.

Just curious.

Actually now I've checked the V10 I don't see a master EQ. There's an isolator, and a booth EQ but I see no master EQ (unless it's digital in the settings).
 
DJ VinylTouch wrote :
Just curious, how does VirtualDJ having a built in EQ applied on master differ from a VST EQ applied on master?
Is it that it is preferred to smartly apply it at a deck level and then shift to master when all mixer channels are dedicated to a specific VirtualDJ instance?

I ask this because implementing it software wise will always have that problem vs it being implemented in the hardware (which can always be applied on master, regardless of what software/source is sending to its channels).

Clearly, a VST EQ or Virtual DJs 10-Band-EQ are probably a more precise way to adjust the volume of certain frequencies, but it also interferes with several mappings regarding the FX controllability.

- Having a blinking button indicating a running effect while you have no echo (for example) is not what an EQ should bother you with.
- Also there are commands which turn off FX entirely, but you don't want your master eq to shut down every time you de-activate your reverb.
- Not every VST is made for hour-long performances, nor does a weak laptop support this workload.
- And not every user knows how to set up VST or FX-based EQs.

It's just a workflow thing...
Just slap three knobs in the upper right corner and call it a day - nothing more - simplicity is the key.
It's just for rough adjustments, no chirurgical accuracy!!

Code-wise there shouldn't be so much to take care of...
Either it's just a "hidden second eq" after the first one per deck, which it's controlled all at once with the master eq knobs, or you route the sound through some fx-slot which isn't affected by the regular fx controlling commands, just something like a "undercover fx slot" for every deck - that's it.
Easy, but effective.
 
I see what you're saying. I do think though this is better handled by the engineer's EQing later down the audio chain, because now the software now has to fiddle with smart 10-band EQ application per deck on top of EQing you may do with the regular 3 band.

This is pretty similar to the Maximizer discussion btw (ability to tune the sound to a liking independent of regular FX path), and now one has even more rope to potentially cause harm to themselves if uses incorrectly (more knobs to turn - novices will most likely crank all of them in an attempt to sound like other software).
 
groovindj wrote :
Playing devil's advocade here, if it was so important then why don't all DJ mixers/controllers and all DJ software already have a master EQ? It just seems that it's now only become "important" (to some) because Pioneer did it.

Just curious.

Actually now I've checked the V10 I don't see a master EQ. There's an isolator, and a booth EQ but I see no master EQ (unless it's digital in the settings).

Then you can ask the question why not every DJ software has pitch_reset, or why not everyone supports almost every controller, and why don't all mixers have a display or an fx section?

Without offending you - Mr. Advocade - but your question is nonsense, and I'll explain to you why that is:
You would rather swim with the current, thinking because brands don't deliver a specific feature it is not needed or people wouldn't utilize it or even that it is just the right way - just because the majority of dj stuff hasn't this included.

How about thinking innovatively?! Outside the box?! Thats why we use Virtual DJ right?!
Or did you every think about that it is such a useful feature that Pioneer builds this into their flagships only, just to have a good selling point for a 3000+ € mixer?


And call it isolator, call it sound-shaper, call it what ever you want, but you are talking about one and the same thing - Three knobs on the Master Channel used to broadly regulate the three major parts of the frequency spectrum, for non-chirurgical, fast and easy adjustments - Which you might wanna use if you could manage to use your curiosity for some innovations, rather than against them.
 
DJ VinylTouch wrote :
I see what you're saying. I do think though this is better handled by the engineer's EQing later down the audio chain, because now the software now has to fiddle with smart 10-band EQ application per deck on top of EQing you may do with the regular 3 band.

This is pretty similar to the Maximizer discussion btw (ability to tune the sound to a liking independent of regular FX path), and now one has even more rope to potentially cause harm to themselves if uses incorrectly (more knobs to turn - novices will most likely crank all of them in an attempt to sound like other software).

Yes, you are correct, that's why I'm asking for some easier and just more usable solution.
Not much, but just enough to do the majority of jobs.
These fx-solutions are way over the top.
 
I'm not sure how adding the EQ as an effect on master complicates things though.
In that case it is not affected by resetFXOnload, and effects_used is by default deck-dependent as well, so is also not affected by an active plugin on master.
 
@Andy Chiles
I was merely questioning your use of the word "important" - as logically if the DJ industry did think it was important to have a master isolator, then they would already be ubiquitous.

The fact is, they're not. They've been around for decades, but the vast majority of DJ hardware does not have them. Equally, no other DJ software has a master isolator either. Ergo most DJs get along fine without it, so it can't be that important in the big scheme of things.

I agree with others here. If that's what YOU consider "important" or "useful" then use a VST.