DJ VinylTouch
They don't control Apple's services and what they can/cannot talk about with regards to that. The fact that we heard nothing about it directly is telling enough (they've talked about almost everything else when asked).
I don't think Atomix devs don't care, they just aren't in complete control of the situation.
With that said, I think the biggest problem with the DJ environment right now is this service provision/gatekeeping with bias behavior - that should not be happening at all.
I don't think Atomix devs don't care, they just aren't in complete control of the situation.
With that said, I think the biggest problem with the DJ environment right now is this service provision/gatekeeping with bias behavior - that should not be happening at all.
Posted Wed 24 Sep 25 @ 4:31 pm
kradcliffe
Absolutely agreed. As I said above all services should be available in all platforms, just like all TV straming services are available on all TV operating systems and streaming boxes / sticks in general.
Posted Wed 24 Sep 25 @ 4:33 pm
DJ VinylTouch
Hiding behind gatekeeping shows fear.
When Tidal integration was done I think VirtualDJ had it the best out the gate (offline cache, etc) and that along with other achievements of this software by the team probably ruffled feathers.
i.e. This staggered allowance is not a coincidence imo, but that's just me/my opinion.
When Tidal integration was done I think VirtualDJ had it the best out the gate (offline cache, etc) and that along with other achievements of this software by the team probably ruffled feathers.
i.e. This staggered allowance is not a coincidence imo, but that's just me/my opinion.
Posted Wed 24 Sep 25 @ 4:38 pm
the SOUND INSURGENT
Lets hope we never get Spotify lol!!
Artists should just ditch them altogether honestly...... And I see this being another Tidal thing where they charge Djs extra for offline locker and STEMS.
Artists should just ditch them altogether honestly...... And I see this being another Tidal thing where they charge Djs extra for offline locker and STEMS.
Posted Wed 24 Sep 25 @ 6:21 pm
dublinmike
Mister Tea wrote :
No doubt it's a great way for collecting metadata to feed their algorithms too.
You nailed it.
Posted Wed 24 Sep 25 @ 7:01 pm
AsTheDJ
We Will See It would be NICE agin To Have that BACK.....
Posted Thu 25 Sep 25 @ 12:52 am
UweB
In my opinion, this topic is overrated and certainly not a game-changer in the professional market.
For open-format DJs and wedding DJs, it would be convenient not to have to buy every piece of junk, but using it there isn't permitted anyway.
A sensible integration for me is Tidal.
It's a real game-changer not only in terms of the provider, but above all in terms of functionality, regardless of whether use is permitted at location XYZ or not.
If that's not possible with Apple or Spotify, I would seriously consider investing development time.
If Spotify doesn't offer similar functionality to Tidal, Spotify wouldn't be an option for me to replace my current equipment or software.
Denon, on the other hand, will likely see things differently with regard to their standalone devices like the Prime4, since their customers are largely in the open-format space.
Here, too, the question remains whether use is permitted or not.
In the end, Apple and Spotify are undoubtedly powerful names. But anyone who wants or needs to stay legally safe and make money is unlikely to switch to Serato just because of Apple. Whether and how Spotify will ultimately be integrated remains speculation. A look at Djay Pro, however, does allow for some speculation.
For open-format DJs and wedding DJs, it would be convenient not to have to buy every piece of junk, but using it there isn't permitted anyway.
A sensible integration for me is Tidal.
It's a real game-changer not only in terms of the provider, but above all in terms of functionality, regardless of whether use is permitted at location XYZ or not.
If that's not possible with Apple or Spotify, I would seriously consider investing development time.
If Spotify doesn't offer similar functionality to Tidal, Spotify wouldn't be an option for me to replace my current equipment or software.
Denon, on the other hand, will likely see things differently with regard to their standalone devices like the Prime4, since their customers are largely in the open-format space.
Here, too, the question remains whether use is permitted or not.
In the end, Apple and Spotify are undoubtedly powerful names. But anyone who wants or needs to stay legally safe and make money is unlikely to switch to Serato just because of Apple. Whether and how Spotify will ultimately be integrated remains speculation. A look at Djay Pro, however, does allow for some speculation.
Posted Thu 25 Sep 25 @ 9:59 am
DJ TOTY GEE
listen2 wrote :
First no Apple music, now no Spotify.
Obviously we all know streaming tracks are not a reliable option, but where this could of some concern is for new hobbyists and or beginner DJs. If the other Big 3 support more popular streaming options than VDJ, they overlook it and choose another option. New or future users may perceive this as VDJ being lesser of a product.
At the end of the day, anyone who has used VDJ for any length of time knows this is not the case, but i feel it can further create a perception problem for anyone not as familiar or just starting out.
Obviously we all know streaming tracks are not a reliable option, but where this could of some concern is for new hobbyists and or beginner DJs. If the other Big 3 support more popular streaming options than VDJ, they overlook it and choose another option. New or future users may perceive this as VDJ being lesser of a product.
At the end of the day, anyone who has used VDJ for any length of time knows this is not the case, but i feel it can further create a perception problem for anyone not as familiar or just starting out.
I don't think there is an issue here. VDJ is the only software that uses DEEZER.......
Yes it will be nice to have Spotify for some event but not for all of the event.
Posted Thu 25 Sep 25 @ 6:22 pm
jalderwood
just adding my .02 - i'm 100% vdj will be adding spotify.
Posted Thu 25 Sep 25 @ 11:34 pm
Danieldaniiyanez
Im just waiting for it to be announced because anything else would be stupid. If not they are being left in the dust sadly, not for people already using VDJ but for the new people just finding out about VDJ.
Spotify is by far the biggest streaming platform when it comes to music so let's go already (696 mil users or something like that).
People saying that this isn't a game changer isn't thinking longer than for their own use. Think broader, every place has wifi and steady wifi aswell (depending where you are in the world). And it's not really an issue, you can even use your phone as a hot spot, this isn't 2005..
Talking for myself, i use Beatport and Beatsource regularly to integrate in my sets and i work as a dj 2-3 days a week at different venues (all of them except one has wifi and at that spot i use my phone instead). No trouble at all and im able to cater to everyone at those venues because of the versatility it brings.
Being able to add Spotify to that mix just levels my game up even further, and i don't see a downside to it at all, actually the opposite.
VDJ needs to wake up and see that the opposition just took one step closer in the dj-game so it's needed.
The legality questions about using it is a grey area sure but come on, are you buying all your music? (come on now..).
So yeah, VDJ bring it out already, we are waiting!
Spotify is by far the biggest streaming platform when it comes to music so let's go already (696 mil users or something like that).
People saying that this isn't a game changer isn't thinking longer than for their own use. Think broader, every place has wifi and steady wifi aswell (depending where you are in the world). And it's not really an issue, you can even use your phone as a hot spot, this isn't 2005..
Talking for myself, i use Beatport and Beatsource regularly to integrate in my sets and i work as a dj 2-3 days a week at different venues (all of them except one has wifi and at that spot i use my phone instead). No trouble at all and im able to cater to everyone at those venues because of the versatility it brings.
Being able to add Spotify to that mix just levels my game up even further, and i don't see a downside to it at all, actually the opposite.
VDJ needs to wake up and see that the opposition just took one step closer in the dj-game so it's needed.
The legality questions about using it is a grey area sure but come on, are you buying all your music? (come on now..).
So yeah, VDJ bring it out already, we are waiting!
Posted Fri 26 Sep 25 @ 6:48 pm
DJ VinylTouch
Tbh, they (the devs) don't have to wake up to anything - you probably just have to understand how the world of service contracts and selective inclusion work.
It's actually sad that you think that being excluded by a streaming service provider (something not in their complete control) = somehow means they got left behind featurewise, because it really isn't - the current featureset of VirtualDJ (at the time of this writing) across use professional musical cases is still pretty much unsurpassed by other DJ software vendors, and if you don't believe that, go to their forums, look through their feature requests/suggestions and see how many of them say VirtualDJ already does it.
How you conduct your curation of music is fine, but that's a personal preference, and differs with different DJs - some DJs stream, some don't. It does seem though, from the current VirtualDJ feature set inclusions over the years, that Atomix is trying to handle the streaming cases - it does offer streaming and the most provider services out of all, but I guess that means nothing because it's not the providers getting the announcement right now.
By patient, ask questions, try to understand the situation and most importantly, try to draw conclusions on logic rather than emotion.
It's actually sad that you think that being excluded by a streaming service provider (something not in their complete control) = somehow means they got left behind featurewise, because it really isn't - the current featureset of VirtualDJ (at the time of this writing) across use professional musical cases is still pretty much unsurpassed by other DJ software vendors, and if you don't believe that, go to their forums, look through their feature requests/suggestions and see how many of them say VirtualDJ already does it.
How you conduct your curation of music is fine, but that's a personal preference, and differs with different DJs - some DJs stream, some don't. It does seem though, from the current VirtualDJ feature set inclusions over the years, that Atomix is trying to handle the streaming cases - it does offer streaming and the most provider services out of all, but I guess that means nothing because it's not the providers getting the announcement right now.
By patient, ask questions, try to understand the situation and most importantly, try to draw conclusions on logic rather than emotion.
Posted Fri 26 Sep 25 @ 9:52 pm
kradcliffe
The issue for me is communication. It would be nice if someone from the team commented on the main thread and gave an update. No it's not being considered at all, we're looking at it with the providers or yes we will be implementing it soon.
But like the hundreds of requests for Apple music the countless threads here and on Facebook have been completely ignored.
I run my own business and communication with customers is key. It just irks me a bit it's just so poor here and legitimate requests regarding these services from current and future customers are completely blanked.
But like the hundreds of requests for Apple music the countless threads here and on Facebook have been completely ignored.
I run my own business and communication with customers is key. It just irks me a bit it's just so poor here and legitimate requests regarding these services from current and future customers are completely blanked.
Posted Sat 27 Sep 25 @ 7:14 am
DJ TOTY GEE
kradcliffe wrote :
The issue for me is communication. It would be nice if someone from the team commented on the main thread and gave an update. No it's not being considered at all, we're looking at it with the providers or yes we will be implementing it soon.
But like the hundreds of requests for Apple music the countless threads here and on Facebook have been completely ignored.
I run my own business and communication with customers is key. It just irks me a bit it's just so poor here and legitimate requests regarding these services from current and future customers are completely blanked.
But like the hundreds of requests for Apple music the countless threads here and on Facebook have been completely ignored.
I run my own business and communication with customers is key. It just irks me a bit it's just so poor here and legitimate requests regarding these services from current and future customers are completely blanked.
I agree that communication is a crucial part of the business, but... in the last week, I have seen 3 updates of the software.
Virtual DJ is kind of windows. it support ALL USB audio... I want to underline ALL.
When I go to events and I bring my controller and my APC MINI, all other DJ ask me how... because this is possible only with Virtual DJ.
i want to remember that Virtual DJ was one of the first to do Stems in the same period of Serato.
Spotify?
I also said that it should be integrated, but a lot of artists are complaining about Spotify
Just last year Spotify was in the Court because it was not paying the artists properly.
Now alphatheta released the 3000x... (that is a copy of dennon of 5 years ago) using the worse dj software ever done: Rekordbox. To be honest, even Traktor is better than Rekordbox. (my opinion)
Alphateta is claiming: "we are the first wi-fi dj gear". As dj we know that this is a bullshit since dennon have this since 5 years ago....
So Spotify decided: oh let's go on the alphatheta 3000x the most used software by alphateta/pioneer addicted are Serato and rekordbox and to use 4 decks you need to pay 3 times what everybody is paying here with Virtual DJ.
What virtual dj support? fom 8 years: iDJPool - VJpro (video, and this Serato and Rekordbox user can only dream about) - Sunfly (Karaoke, and this Serato and Rekordbox user can only dream about), Tidal (one of the first that has ever supported tidal is Virtual DJ) - Deezer - Soundcloud (added to Rekordbox just 1 year ago) - Beatport (all djs use beatport) - beatsource (the same that beatport but Virtual DJ I think is the only one that supports it)
I don't know if developers are busy to reply here, because every week this software supports one more controller or piano keyboard.
Posted Sat 27 Sep 25 @ 12:35 pm
kradcliffe
I'm fully aware of the work the VDJ team do for us and if course it is greatly appreciated.
I'm just making the point that with so many people asking about these services which will be of benefit to some users why is nobody from the company responding at all?
I'm just making the point that with so many people asking about these services which will be of benefit to some users why is nobody from the company responding at all?
Posted Sat 27 Sep 25 @ 2:00 pm
Adion
We are looking into it
Posted Sat 27 Sep 25 @ 2:10 pm
dublinmike
I think that spotify will collate HUGE amounts of set and mix data from DJ's and eventually offer a cheap service to venues that replaces them.
Posted Mon 29 Sep 25 @ 5:12 pm
DJURBANCZ
I want Spotify in VirtualDJ too — I don’t want to use other software.
Posted Mon 29 Sep 25 @ 9:01 pm
kradcliffe
dublinmike wrote :
I think that spotify will collate HUGE amounts of set and mix data from DJ's and eventually offer a cheap service to venues that replaces them.
I woukd doubt many DJs will use Spotify for entire sets, mainly due to the fact that they are streamed which isn't particularly stable. Most of us want it for the odd track we don't already have.
Posted Mon 29 Sep 25 @ 9:55 pm
lakis69
I won't comment on whether it's good or bad to include these two platforms, but I will comment that... just as we started to trust and congratulate ourselves on the growth and professionalism that virtual dj started to produce... we started to doubt again whether everyone finally takes the program seriously or whether they still consider it a children's program like before... and that's why the people in charge of vdj should make an announcement about the reasons why they didn't add the platforms.
they make us feel like we are outside the professional game of programs and that other programs might be superior to vdj... although I personally don't believe it but we feel doubts
they make us feel like we are outside the professional game of programs and that other programs might be superior to vdj... although I personally don't believe it but we feel doubts
Posted Tue 30 Sep 25 @ 2:34 am
DJ VinylTouch
One of the devs literally gave a response a few comments ago on this chain saying they are looking into it
and you still ended up writing this (smh).
You actually thought the devs came together and actively decided to not provide another popular source of music that other DJ platforms would provide? It couldn't possibly be a situation they didn't have complete control of, seeing as they don't own Spotify/Apple Music/and cannot stream without their permission?
I guess InMusic (with Engine), Native Instruments, Hercules, etc had the same idea too (lol).
Not even sure how to respond to this without sounding mean. All I would say is replace we with you.
These kind of responses show exactly why the DJ industry is in the state that it's in - group inclusion and emotion over rational thought.
There is no problem with being upset with current state of things - there is always room for inprovement, and that's what this forum is about.
But ignoring responses from the team that are directly related and saying things that make little sense because of being upset - we can do better than that (we are supposed to be professionals).
Adion wrote :
We are looking into it
and you still ended up writing this (smh).
lakis69 wrote :
... and that's why the people in charge of vdj should make an announcement about the reasons why they didn't add the platforms.
... and that's why the people in charge of vdj should make an announcement about the reasons why they didn't add the platforms.
You actually thought the devs came together and actively decided to not provide another popular source of music that other DJ platforms would provide? It couldn't possibly be a situation they didn't have complete control of, seeing as they don't own Spotify/Apple Music/and cannot stream without their permission?
I guess InMusic (with Engine), Native Instruments, Hercules, etc had the same idea too (lol).
lakis69 wrote :
they make us feel like we are outside the professional game of programs and that other programs might be superior to vdj... although I personally don't believe it but we feel doubts
they make us feel like we are outside the professional game of programs and that other programs might be superior to vdj... although I personally don't believe it but we feel doubts
Not even sure how to respond to this without sounding mean. All I would say is replace we with you.
These kind of responses show exactly why the DJ industry is in the state that it's in - group inclusion and emotion over rational thought.
There is no problem with being upset with current state of things - there is always room for inprovement, and that's what this forum is about.
But ignoring responses from the team that are directly related and saying things that make little sense because of being upset - we can do better than that (we are supposed to be professionals).
Posted Tue 30 Sep 25 @ 3:29 am
