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Looked at my history from last night. I went from Thinking about you by Calvin Harris, at 128 down to 98 -100 (anywhere is close enough). Once I got there I did a 8 or 16 beat loop. Switched to a video clip, and bought in Simarik (long version) by Tarkan from 97 to whatever the Calvin Harris was. Looped the beginning to ride both tracks, gradual fade to vocal, and drop. I have transitional tracks, and also build up or down. However, sometimes I need to come down now. If I have to go up, I use double bpm, transitions, backspins, brakes, or any number of tricks. Now, there are limits, but 6 bpms, is not one of them.
 
beatbreaker1 wrote :
I think we all can agree that CHARGING for better keylock is total BS!!


Sadly this is the way all software seems to be going. My son paid £35 for a PS3 game then there additional "packs" for more money that should really be included anyway.

The only extra cost in VDJ was for iRemote (but I only used it once as it's no use to me personally without a browser)

Maybe a more modular approach is the way to go, lower price for the main program then additional charge for Karaoke, video, TC etc. as not everyone needs or uses features like that!
 
Yeah Keith I go through the same thing with my boys and the Xbox. Always seems to be another expansion pack or special map, Lmmfao!! Either waylike I said I'll probably buy and I'll buy it. Even if it was VDJ charging for something I'd probably buy it as well, lol!!
 
Serato time stretching is a different algorithm to VDJ.

Playing tracks slowy in Serato DJ is terrible.

With the right settings in VDJ you can get a great performance from the time stretching.
 
VDJ and Serato both SUCK going down to 0 BPM. The sound from both is wobbly and digital sounding.

The winner is still OTSDJ after all these years. I've been waiting for VDJ to accomplish what OTS has had 10 years ago.

I just fired OTS up to lilsten to it again. Geeze haven't done that in years. Yep still blows away VDJ AND Serato.

I used this feature as a "finger on the platter" to slow the track (without a plugin effect). What makes it nice is that it does it in key. Much better effect than a turntable.

I'm hoping Version 8 has improved the wobble digital sound. And fix the ugly key change at the lower BPM range. It is pretty much useless.

Check the OTS out for youself to see my point. Their spinning platter is a gem with mouse position variable drag for slow down. Loved it.

But then I moved to VDJ because of all the "whistle and bells" and haven't looked back. I'll cross my fingers that the new sound engine will do a better job with accurate slowdown to 0 BPM.
 
lol the demo showed perfectly on what its all about... i havent seen a good VDJ in years..the last one dj get down scratching on 2 TCV and that was freaking awesome...

but to be honest serato had a better pitch engine in older version better than vdj did in new ones.. i know you don't take fondly on comparing the 2 and people get offended easily here and start banning users..but that's my opinion
 
The quality in VDJ depends what sound card you are using. I have had the best results using my NS7. It it awesome compared to Serato. I think its better than Pitch-n-Time from the youtube vid.

-DJ Kavika
 
maki2001 wrote :
i know you don't take fondly on comparing the 2 and people get offended easily here and start banning users..but that's my opinion


Bro your so full of shet cause if they banned people on their opinions you'd of been gone after your first post!! Don't worry I'd of been gone to....... But quit with the crap already and try to contribute something other then cheap shots and negativity......
 
maki2001 wrote :
i know you don't take fondly on comparing the 2 and people get offended easily here and start banning users..but that's my opinion


Banned???? Please, you give yourself too much importance. I can only speak for myself, and am not offended. I'm just bored at the same silly comments, over, and over, and over, and over again. Try to bring something original to the table.
 
I've been a moderator here for four years. Been a user here for seven years. In all that time, I can't remember one user that got banned for simply speaking their mind. The only times I can recall any user being banned was because of piracy. Now, have people been put in a time out? Sure, a few. So, don't jump to conclusions. Please, speak your piece, just be polite and respectful to others while you're doing so.
 
maki2001 wrote :
but to be honest serato had a better pitch engine in older version better than vdj did in new ones..


Perhaps better than your LE version, but us Pro users have access to the advanced time stretching engine which is far better - and way way better than the current SSL/SDJ implementation - as voiced by many many many Serato users over the years.

maki2001 wrote :
i know you don't take fondly on comparing the 2 and people get offended easily here and start banning users..but that's my opinion


Given that you use software that isn't licensed to you and provide nothing but negative input to the community you would have been banned long ago if that was the case. It's something you repeatedly say - it's almost like you want us to ban you so you can moan about that too.
 
SBDJ wrote :
maki2001 wrote :
but to be honest serato had a better pitch engine in older version better than vdj did in new ones..


Perhaps better than your LE version, but us Pro users have access to the advanced time stretching engine which is far better - and way way better than the current SSL/SDJ implementation - as voiced by many many many Serato users over the years.

maki2001 wrote :
i know you don't take fondly on comparing the 2 and people get offended easily here and start banning users..but that's my opinion


Given that you use software that isn't licensed to you and provide nothing but negative input to the community you would have been banned long ago if that was the case. It's something you repeatedly say - it's almost like you want us to ban you so you can moan about that too.


No no im actually a very big critic and a person that speaks his mind never holding back and always saying it as it is..that's why some people have a hard time accepting me for who i am but i really dont care about that..my opinion is that to say how it is and i like for people to tell me how it is and i use it to better myself and see what my mistakes are. i like criticism as much as giving it being negative or positive i accept it :)

back to the topic.. well ill keep my mouth shut for now :D (regarding the second thing you said) :) cheers dude no hard feelings i hope :)
 
Yes, back to topic..good idea :)

Master Tempo engine (or whatever you need to call it), was always something that the dj softwares were trying to improve, by writing their own code or using/buying ready-made solutions. VirtualDJ has improved its own Engine several times, and that is what is going to happen with version 8 too. Hopefully what we will have will be ahead of the competition
But the results of the Master Tempo Engine depend on 2 things...
a. the pitch range you are trying to use and test.
b. the kind of music tunes you test/play

Some Engines do pretty good job in low and mid pitch changes but really fail on large ones. Some others do a better job on specific genres. So its a combination of several factors here.. I dont think that there is a perfect Engine. That would knee your computer lol.
So its more like a compromise and definitely that kind of videos are just for showing off and marketing rather than presenting something useful for the real life. I dont think that it would matter to any djs if the Master Tempo offers great results on very large pitch ranges but fail on the basics.
 
So are you saying VDJ8 will have better key lock than serato pitch n time?
 
No one can answer to that question with a yes or no. I think my explanation above was pretty clear.

And just to add a question that could probably lead you to understand my thoughts better... would you like a Master Tempo Engine that does excellent job for pitch changes +-40% but sounds bad at 80%, or an Engine that sounds average in low pitch changes but pretty well even at 100% ?
Because, really, you cant have both
 
I'd say it's much more important to have it work well at lower (under 10%) pitch settings.

As an overall %, the number of working DJs using extreme pitch settings whilst playing to a packed dance floor must be fairly low.

Surely most DJs don't play a track much past even 6 or 8 %....
 
Agreed Groovin!!
 
Nothing but great reviews so far.....have to agree too, Pitch 'N Time is really amazing
 

The last time I checked the rule book I didn't see anything about beat mixing being a must all the time, then again no such rule book exists so do as you like :).

There are musical rules however, which means if you do beatmix it shouldn't sound like pots and pans in a tumble dryer, and if you do transition without a beatmix the transition period should be short (fade, mic, scratch etc) or instant (cut) and with no rhythmic elements clashing in the process.
 
'No one should mix more that 6 BPM apart.'

People saying that are clearly quite unimaginative
I altered my Technics when I bought them to be able to go wider than +/- 8 on the pitch
Why? Because I wanted to mix all sorts of styles

Too many djs now just play a tightly pigeon-holed set where every track sounds the same and likely starts with the same bpm

Mixing at more than 6 bpm apart does NOT suggest anyone is a poor dj, or doesnt know how to mix!
 
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