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Topic: Rane TTM 56 & VDJP advice

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I currently use timecoded vinyl with VDJP and my RMX. I'm not a raging fan of VDJ's timecode perfromance. I like the features of the RMX, but I love to incorporate scratching into my mixes. The RMX cross fader is not a true scratch fader therefore I'm pondering picking up a slightly used Rane TTM 56 for $500. However right now I am limited in my budget to invest in Serato Scratch Live 3 or 4. Therefore I believe I will stick with VDJP, but I wanted to poll the forum to see what is an affordable but efficient setup/soundcard to use my turntables, TTM56, and VDJP. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Also i'm curious to know if my VDJP's dismal timecode performance is caused by the RMX or the software? Basically if I switch the mixer will I only pick up a great scratch tool and still have the same suspect timecode performance. I use Technics 1200's and a MBP with 8 gigs of RAM and a 2.6 proccessor.

Thanks,
Que Yi
 
Posted Wed 31 Aug 11 @ 11:09 am
i thought serato would work with a rane ttm. i was under the impression that serato was free to download as long as you have the right mixer/interface as a dongle.
 
ps have you tried serato vinyl with virtual dj. I use these instead of my torq vinyl. Big difference. you could probably get a torq conectiv for cheap. I use my hercules as an interface for virtual dj as well.
 
DJ AgentM wrote :
i thought serato would work with a rane ttm. i was under the impression that serato was free to download as long as you have the right mixer/interface as a dongle.


Rane ttm 56 doesn't have sl sound card built in like the ttm 57. But yes serato is free for download to anyone
 
thanks for that.
 
Yes I have the Serato vinyl time codes.
 
Do you have the SL1, SL2, SL3, SL4, TTM-57 or the Rane 68? Ok just cause you switch mixers doesn't mean your gonna be a better scratcher........ as far getting the mixer you mentioned, its good, it has no MIDI function and you'll still need a soundcard. Now if you go with the TTM-57 you can only use it as a soundcard, the MIDI functions are locked to Scratch Live, so unless your using Scratch Live I wouldn't waste my money, just sayin...... Now timecodes do work and work pretty well I might add. You just can't be lazy, you will need to take some time and tweak Tue setting till you find that sweet spot. I start by posting a picture of your setting, and ditching the Serato timecodes and picking up Numark timecodes, which in my findings work the best. Look for the thread called "Perfect Timecodes" for all my findings.....

Good Luck
Huey
 
beatbreaker1 wrote :
Do you have the SL1, SL2, SL3, SL4, TTM-57 or the Rane 68? Ok just cause you switch mixers doesn't mean your gonna be a better scratcher........ as far getting the mixer you mentioned, its good, it has no MIDI function and you'll still need a soundcard. Now if you go with the TTM-57 you can only use it as a soundcard, the MIDI functions are locked to Scratch Live, so unless your using Scratch Live I wouldn't waste my money, just sayin...... Now timecodes do work and work pretty well I might add. You just can't be lazy, you will need to take some time and tweak Tue setting till you find that sweet spot. I start by posting a picture of your setting, and ditching the Serato timecodes and picking up Numark timecodes, which in my findings work the best. Look for the thread called "Perfect Timecodes" for all my findings.....

Good Luck
Huey


Thanks Huey,

I don't have any Serato product outside of my timecoded vinyl which I run through VDJ and my RMX. In this situation switching the mixer is definately going to enhance my scratching. I been mixing for over 20 years took a break and just took the plunge into digital with the RMX. Controllers are nice and offer way more features than the old school mixers offered; but I'm at my best with two turntables. So I've tried vinyl timecodes with VDJP and the RMX and the results were not quite where I wanted them to be. I'm still willing to put in work to make VDJP and RMX work but it gets challenging gig after gig when I have to trouble shoot in the middle of a set. I will try the Numark vinyl.
So now I'm seeking advice in putting together the best timecode vinyl setup. It looks like Serato is the most reliable in terms of mainly rocking two turntables. That's the feature I need the most. The effects and looping are secondary. I was looking into getting the TTM56 and SL, however the price for this setup-new is approximate to the price of the TTM57-which comes with SL. So I'm curious if it's best to go with a TTM57 although I have read that the TTM56 is a better/pure scratch mixer. What are your thoughts?

Thanks for the tip on "perfect timecodes"- I have read it and appreciate you sharing your knowledge!

Peace,
Que Yi
 
Well the best setup really depends on your needs...... Ill start by telling you my setup and why. I use an Ecler NUO4 (4 CH MIDI MIXER), 2 Tech 1200's, with either a NI Audio 8 or the SL3. I went with the Ecler because the crossfader can be control MIDI and analog at the same time. I don't really like how the software eq sounds so I use it as an external mixer. I use the MIDI section for cue points, effect, and the video crossfader. I use turntables cause that's what I learned on but have started using MIDI controllers as of recent. I bought the SL3 cause a lot of djs that I work with use that. This is where my mixer comes into play again. Because the mixer is MIDI I can also spin videos with Serato as well plus VDJ supports the SL3 amongst many others. So I would say if you need MIDI for both programs find a different mixer.

Don't really know what else to say, lol, hope this helps
Huey
 
beatbreaker1 wrote :
Well the best setup really depends on your needs...... Ill start by telling you my setup and why. I use an Ecler NUO4 (4 CH MIDI MIXER), 2 Tech 1200\'s, with either a NI Audio 8 or the SL3. I went with the Ecler because the crossfader can be control MIDI and analog at the same time. I don\'t really like how the software eq sounds so I use it as an external mixer. I use the MIDI section for cue points, effect, and the video crossfader. I use turntables cause that\'s what I learned on but have started using MIDI controllers as of recent. I bought the SL3 cause a lot of djs that I work with use that. This is where my mixer comes into play again. Because the mixer is MIDI I can also spin videos with Serato as well plus VDJ supports the SL3 amongst many others. So I would say if you need MIDI for both programs find a different mixer.

Don\'t really know what else to say, lol, hope this helps
Huey


It did help. Thanks. I picked up a TTM56, a SL3, and a set of dicers and I\'m loving it. My mix is on point and I\'m in my element with the TT\'s. However I need some help on how to incorporate videos into my mix. I have VDJ Pro and the RMX. Is there a way to bridge everything together or is it simpler to add SL Video and call it a day? Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Que Yi
 
Well again its gonna boil down to what your comfortable with. If it were me I would have bought a different mixer, one that had a MIDI crossfader. That way you could use it with VDJ or Serato VSL. So my advice would be is, sell the RMX, sell the TTM56 and buy a MIDI mixer. You can then map things to the mixer in both programs. That's what I would do but everyones different, lol. Check out this page for some good mixer (not that yours isn't), http://www.virtualdj.com/products/hardware.html#mixers
There's a lot more out there but this will give you a base to start with.

Hope that helps
Huey

P.S. Dope setup bro!!
 
 
The 56 isn't MIDI, he would need the 57 and even then they have the MIDI functions locked to Serato. Although I've heard of it being used as a MIDI mixer with other programs but have never actually seen it done........
 
whoops I should of read it properly... LOL
 
Thanks for everyon'e suggestions, tips, and advice, please keep them coming. From what I've been told and the feedback from the forum I take it that VDJ Pro is good if not great for video mixing and controller like music mixing. The inconsistencies in the time codes frustrated me to the point where I switched to Serato. My primary concern is to have a stable vinyl timecode set up. My secodary concerns is to mix video.

So I checked out the links on midi mixers that Huey sent me and my concern is that if I went with a midi mixer will I still have to contend with crappy vinyl timecodes? Has anyone been able to consistently almost flawlessly use VDJ Pro vinyl timecode set up?
 
I don't understand why everyone has issues with the timecode, you just need to make the signal as close to a circle as possible, turn up the gain a little and turn up the silence about the same amount to compensate. If everyone is refering to sticker drift, sure that will happen if you use relative, if thats the case man up and use smart or absolute, but I used to get 100% signal 99.9% of the time using serato cv2's, m447's and an audio 8, I have since sold them, if I hadn't i'd make a video.
 
I've had a 100%/99% for months now. It doesn't matter what soundcard I use, good needles or crappy needles. For me the problem was the frickin Serato timecodes. I don't care what anyone says, those things are CRAP!! Still to this day I can not get a 100% signal and keep it. For me I switched to the Numark timecodes and the rest is history! Haven't had a single drop-out in months!! Here read this and see if it helps, http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/146709/General_Discussion/Perfect_Timecodes__.html?page=1

Let me know if it helps
Huey
 
synthet1c wrote :
I don't understand why everyone has issues with the timecode, you just need to make the signal as close to a circle as possible, turn up the gain a little and turn up the silence about the same amount to compensate. If everyone is refering to sticker drift, sure that will happen if you use relative, if thats the case man up and use smart or absolute, but I used to get 100% signal 99.9% of the time using serato cv2's, m447's and an audio 8, I have since sold them, if I hadn't i'd make a video.


I have the same vinyl and m447's and I read the manuals and adjusted the settings just as instructed and still had stability issues. You made a good point about switching to smart or absolute. I didn't get that far down the road due to being frustrated time after time. I may go back and revisit that. I figured it was something with the RMX. All in all I needed to udgrade my hardware and I did by scooping up the TM56S and SL3. It works great for timecode and traditional vinyl setup therefore I will keep it. What did you replace the system that you mentioned with?
 
beatbreaker1 wrote :
Well again its gonna boil down to what your comfortable with. If it were me I would have bought a different mixer, one that had a MIDI crossfader. That way you could use it with VDJ or Serato VSL. So my advice would be is, sell the RMX, sell the TTM56 and buy a MIDI mixer. You can then map things to the mixer in both programs. That's what I would do but everyones different, lol. Check out this page for some good mixer (not that yours isn't), http://www.virtualdj.com/products/hardware.html#mixers
There's a lot more out there but this will give you a base to start with.

Hope that helps
Huey

P.S. Dope setup bro!!


Thanks Huey!
 
im in controller town now, I have a reloop jockey 2, mpd 24, icon idj mapped for effects... I moved house a couple of weeks ago and just didn't have the space, so the tables had to go... after using the dj2, I'm going to upgrade to the reloop jockey 3 when its natively supported... I always thought I would never make the change from turntables to a controller as I learnt on tables but now the amount of usages is virtually endless compared to vinyl, I do miss being able to beat juggle though, but I figure out a way with leds on the dj3 :)
 


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