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Like trance with electro. Most of trance music have high bpm. Any technique to match this two type of song?
 
Posted Tue 01 Mar 11 @ 10:50 am
 
thx joey but u can make dat.? juz asking. :) i've tried many time but still cant made a smooth transition.
 
Then just wait for the cut in the song, learn to play with the bass, mid, and treble to fade out the song in the cuts, and just throw in the one with a higher bpm or lower bpm. I would not advice to do this, mainly because I'm the type of Dj who usually prepare my sets in advance and if I'm doing trance, I will stick to a specific bpm, much in the same way if I'm doing house or electro, and I hate jumping up and down with the beats per minute. If I know that I will be spinning all three genres in my set (highly unlikely) then I star with a 128bpm and work my way up but never chop in between.

Why would you want to be jumping bpm, I have no idea, but it doesn't sound right if you are making a mess of bpm while doing a set.
 
oh i'm just trying because i like this two genre, i hope i can mix this two genre. So if u doing trance, u mix that genre only? i mean u mix one genre only in one time?
 
Yes, for two main reasons. Trance is completely different from Electro, and although you can find some trance at 130 and some electro at 130, and you can mix it, it just doesn't go.

Try to stick to sets, you will see that it's much more fun to be able to mix a whole hour of Trance or electro rather than to be making a mess of songs that in many cases don't go or flow together.

I love trance, and I love house, I'm cool with electro, but I rather stick to sets of each style of electronic music.
 
Same goes to me i love trance, electro and house. hehe. okay2. thanks for your advise. But still the most of chorus of trance music are the best.:)
 
If your doing a mix set venue then you need to know your music good enough to trans. at the right point by ear to make it work tight...it's not what you do....it's how you do it that makes the difference...

Chose 30, 40 songs you know they like and create cue ponits on each track till you get the feel, another thing that will help you is to do a VirtualMix in your head first, say ten songs..at a time... after a while you'll be clairvoyant and on point.....

Good Luck,

Joey....
 
Isn't this is what the "Music" forum is for?? This is what is up setting people. No one ever wants to post in the right place. Might aswell have 1 giant forum called " Put What Ever You Want Here".............

Huey
 
That would be the Mods job, I just try to help with the question....

Joey....
 
Funny, I could have sworn that the name of this room was "General Discussion", oh boy was I wrong!!!!! hehehe.
 
Hehehe, I could of swear he asked how to mix to types of music..........wouldn't that be a mix lesson?? Anyways it doesn't matter .

Huey
 
Dj zarte wrote :
Like trance with electro. Most of trance music have high bpm. Any technique to match this two type of song?


When I started mixing, I was taught to keep the difference in BPMs between songs to less than 3% difference. So, if song on deck 1 is 130 the song on deck two you want to blend into should not exceed 126.1 on the low end or, 133.9 on the high end. Keep to that and you should find your blends sounding a lot smoother.
 
I'd say that these days the % difference has gone up slightly since there is such a diversity in the ranges of BPMs in most of today's popular music. In a top 40 club you will typically find yourself working with songs from 72bpm all the way to 135bpm. Obviously you wouldn't mix those two extreme examples together, but, I often will mix songs with up to 10bpm difference by slowly speeding up what is currently playng and then adjusting the on deck song to match.

Sometimes you will find yourself having to get out of a 130bpm set into a 100bpm set. This is quite a jump. I will sometimes use a brake or backspin to transition between extremes.

My 2 cents
 
Forget the fact of the difference in Generes, the 3% rule is from the old school train of thought - remember techniques didn't have a key lock so any more and u could really change the vibe of a song. Nowadays w the pitch/key lock it's ok to have a bit more range. I have my pitch set at ten and once in a while I'll hit 12 after that I find moving the pitch slider becomes
much more sensitive.

Learn your counts. Practice practice practice and for the love of (insert the higher power of ur choice here) please do not use the damn sync button!
 
Learn your counts. Practice practice practice and for the love of (insert the higher power of ur choice here) please do not use the damn sync button!

This is by far the best advice ever. Thumbs up on this last part of your comment.
 
Thanks Dj Ho! I can remember my parents telling me to turn the music down on many occasions or at least change the songs. I only had two pieces of vinyl, one of which was "who's got your love" by Nyasia - I still have problems playing that song.

Nevertheless please practice there is no greater feeling (in this side of the business) than when u can get two tracks to "talk" to each other - especially when u do it all by YOURself
 
if you wanna mix a high bpm with a low bpm try doing it like this.

lets say track 1 is 87bpm and track 2 is 130bpm, you would have to slow down the 130 to about 110 and speed up the 87 to about 110. you would have to keylock the tracks before making the pitch adjustments but even then the tracks keys may still be waayyy out.

not only the key, but the structure may be altered drastically too and therefore they may not fit too well.

on the other hand an alternative is to just not mix tracks with such a mis-match of bpm.

there is however another alternative.

take this for example

track 1 is 87bpm and track 2 is 172bpm.

big difference right?

"wrong"

if a tracks bpm can match when its doubled or halved and be within a few bpm of the other they will mix (well in theory). for them to mix successfully there are a lot of factors to take into consideration. but lets start fro the begining.

so take again the 87bpm track and double it.

87 x 2 = 174

so therefore you can either increase the bpm of track 2 by 2bpm or slow down track 1 by 1bpm for it to match. if your wondering why you would only decrease by 1 its because essentially decreasing it by 1bpm would give you exactly half of the bpm of track 2

172 / 2 = 86

if you were to use this technique you should always use the minimal option. which in the case of the example shown it would be to decrease the bpm of track 1 by 1bp.

hope your with me so far.

now then, once you have matched the bpm or rather before. and remember this is important. you should always check that the keytones are compatible. for keytone compatability or harmonic compatability as its truly called. you should use either:

the camelot wheel

http://www.mixedinkey.com/HowTo.aspx

or

the circle of fifths

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths

both of these harmonic key wheels will show what key tones are compatible. the camelot wheel is your best option for simplicity as there is a lot of other factors and rules based around the wheels and their useag. some of which you can read in some of my other guides posted in either the mix lessons or music discussion sections. there is also a good bit of info on harmoinc mixing and my findings in a thread i posted about a month ago entitled key tone problems. serach my user id and you should be able to read some other info.

so back to the point.

if you have matched your bpm in the way described above, a remaining factor is key compatability.

if your keys are not compatible, then your transition will still not work in a smooth flow. the tracks may fit structure wise, but if the key tones dont match your flow will jump around.

lets put it like this.

you wouldnt want to mix the tone of say........celine dion with the tone of the wu tang clan.....why??? because they just wouldnt fit and this is what im ultimatley pointing out.

to summerise, for now, mixing high/low bpm's can be done if you aquire and use the correct techniques. the techniques however are not singular and come with several "other" additional factors. each factor has a set of rules. and each set of ruls again has aditional factors.

if you can aquire a basic knowlege or skill level of a technique, your headed in the right direction. only with practice can you fully apreciate just how many factors there is to each and every mix.

im not saying you should treat every mix like a science project, but you do need to research and learn the science that is dj'ing. i suggest searching google, reading, sites and forums and practicing as much as you can.

you will never stop learning. the information provided above is only very basic and has a lot more angles to consider and learn. being able to mix high/low bpm's as you have read and i have mentioned several times relys on other factors also.

these include harmonics, melodics, track structures, basic mathematics, research and practice. on top of that and the two most important fartors , are, hearing and plain old common sence.

im not sure if ive left anything of major significance out here but if i think of something ill post again.

hope this helps.

blu
 
Blulite, good theory, but for trance and Electro, in practice it would not sound right. Even with the key lock there would be a drastic distortion of the track being played.

The best thing to do, play around with tracks with -3 or +3 bpm diference of the same style, or find trance songs and electro songs with the same -3 +3 bpm difference.

For hip hop I have seen this up and down of BPM and honestly, it sounds awful.
 
hence the reason i went on to say that it wouldnt sound right with such mis matched bpm's. if the diference is enough to be equal if doubled or halved whichever way you look at ith then they will match bpm wise with little key tone change and that there are a lot of other factors to consider on top of just matching the bpm.

getting bpm's to match where possible is only a fragment of the factors which become considerable for a successfull transition.

if you get my drift. ive tried to give as best explination i can without writing a 50,000 word essay that covers some of the other factors surrounding high/low bpm matching.

as you know mate theres a lot more to dj'ing than some seem to think.

think that sort of explains my angle.

i also didnt want to start going into the whole array of transitioning factors because it would just keep branching forever. as we well know.
 
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