I have recently purchased the Numark USB DXM-01 24 Bit Digital Mixer and i am struggling to get it set up to work with VDJ , i run the latest version of VDJ . . . i did previously have the hercules console but i didnt like it very much, however it actually did work with VDJ, the crossfader / volume etc.
(move for move) so that mixing was possible. As things stand i cannot seem to get the two to go hand in hand together, am i having compatiability issues OR have i bought something i cannot use with VDJ?
Posted Tue 28 Jun 05 @ 11:25 am
cstoll
Well if you are talking about the integration of the volume and crossfaders, you must remember that the hercules console is a unique product in that area. I am not sure if by just hooking up another device like the Numark you would get the same results. Might be possible if someone built a mapper for the device like has been done with the DAC-2 controller. Hope someone pops up to help you further. For now, leave everything center in the software and use the Numark as a traditional mixer. At least your sound card is now integrated, no extra devices -- how has that worked? Everything setup well there?
cstoll
cstoll
Posted Tue 28 Jun 05 @ 3:19 pm
alrite mate howya doin? yeh cheers for the point. I thought as much! . . . yeh im lovin the Numark . although im trying to switch from vinyl to Time coded vinyl now, trying to find out abit more about how it works...
do i need specialist decks / turntables as well as the time coded vinyl? How does the time coded vinyl load in tracks off the computer? its all very confusing!
Could you explain the whole time coded set up and what i may need etc to get it working!? coz i dont understand a thing about it and i cant find any useful info elsewhere!
do i need specialist decks / turntables as well as the time coded vinyl? How does the time coded vinyl load in tracks off the computer? its all very confusing!
Could you explain the whole time coded set up and what i may need etc to get it working!? coz i dont understand a thing about it and i cant find any useful info elsewhere!
Posted Tue 28 Jun 05 @ 5:45 pm
cstoll
Well let's start with some pre-written word and graphics.
You can look at this post for such info: http://www.virtualdj.com/forum/display.html?topic=13647
But to give you the nuts and bolts:
Specialized Decks - NO, almost any TT will work, as long as they are in working order to start.
The setup --
To start, a sound card that provides enough inputs for the number of TT you plan to use. Great soundcard to use is the MAYA 44 USB - 2 pair of stereo inputs. And that is the BIG key is that they must be STEREO inputs. The microphone input on soundcards are MONO and won't work. Now, you are in a unique situation though. I don't know if you could use the Numark PHONO input to provide the signal to the VDJ software. This may be possible with the ASIO4ALL drivers, but still not sure? But to continue...
Now the next question you had was loading the tracks. You still have to use the VDJ interface to load the track to play onto a deck. The Timecode Vinyl (TCV) is just a control interface. With a track loaded, you can use the TT with the TCV to control the playing of the track, just as if the Vinyl itself had the track on it. But that's it, it is a control surface. Put the needle on and press the Start button and once the needle hits the TimeCode the software will start to play the file. Press the Start button again to Stop playing the vinyl and the track stops in the software.
The big beauty is that you don't have to swap vinyl everytime you want to play a new track. Just load a new track to the appropriate deck in VDJ and start the process all over again. Just as you would have done if you were mixing regular vinyl.
Hope all this clears up a few things.
If not, keep asking away.
cstoll
BTW, to answer your first post in more detail; here is a link to a pdf about the Numark mixer.
http://www.numark.com/productoverviews/DXM01USB%20Rollout.pdf
Read the second page, the forth item.
You can look at this post for such info: http://www.virtualdj.com/forum/display.html?topic=13647
But to give you the nuts and bolts:
Specialized Decks - NO, almost any TT will work, as long as they are in working order to start.
The setup --
To start, a sound card that provides enough inputs for the number of TT you plan to use. Great soundcard to use is the MAYA 44 USB - 2 pair of stereo inputs. And that is the BIG key is that they must be STEREO inputs. The microphone input on soundcards are MONO and won't work. Now, you are in a unique situation though. I don't know if you could use the Numark PHONO input to provide the signal to the VDJ software. This may be possible with the ASIO4ALL drivers, but still not sure? But to continue...
Now the next question you had was loading the tracks. You still have to use the VDJ interface to load the track to play onto a deck. The Timecode Vinyl (TCV) is just a control interface. With a track loaded, you can use the TT with the TCV to control the playing of the track, just as if the Vinyl itself had the track on it. But that's it, it is a control surface. Put the needle on and press the Start button and once the needle hits the TimeCode the software will start to play the file. Press the Start button again to Stop playing the vinyl and the track stops in the software.
The big beauty is that you don't have to swap vinyl everytime you want to play a new track. Just load a new track to the appropriate deck in VDJ and start the process all over again. Just as you would have done if you were mixing regular vinyl.
Hope all this clears up a few things.
If not, keep asking away.
cstoll
BTW, to answer your first post in more detail; here is a link to a pdf about the Numark mixer.
http://www.numark.com/productoverviews/DXM01USB%20Rollout.pdf
Read the second page, the forth item.
Posted Tue 28 Jun 05 @ 6:21 pm
RIght on! complicated stuff, i think i will be investing in some time coded vinyls hoepfully be able to get it to work along with these link information you have provided thanks alot for your help!
I really impressed with the VDJ software after traditional mixing with vinyl im real keen to get this lot set up so i can use it all properly....to be hoenst i still cant fully understand how the file gets loaded onto the vinyl let alone played using a standard needle!!
but thats why i dont invent things i guess!
I really impressed with the VDJ software after traditional mixing with vinyl im real keen to get this lot set up so i can use it all properly....to be hoenst i still cant fully understand how the file gets loaded onto the vinyl let alone played using a standard needle!!
but thats why i dont invent things i guess!
Posted Wed 29 Jun 05 @ 10:01 am
djaditya
@DJOutlaw: Dude, the Numark DXM01 usb mixer is a USB SOUND interface/mixer only! you cannot control any part of a software as it does not have any such features i know of. Just get two USB a/b cables, plug them to your pc(from the mixer) and you will have two soundcard access to output the two channels of vdj( Select the 2 soundcard -mixer option)
this is just a solution for playing mp3s directly from the pc instead of using your pc soundcard and then connecting through rca cables...
regards
adi
this is just a solution for playing mp3s directly from the pc instead of using your pc soundcard and then connecting through rca cables...
regards
adi
Posted Wed 29 Jun 05 @ 4:15 pm
frd1963
@DJOutlaw: You really don't need to know how the TCV works, just know that it does and be happy :)
However, if this really bothers you, then here is a simplified explanation: The sound on the TCV is heard by the computer and the computer translates it into a repeating timestamp; kinda like someone calling out: "1 second, 2 seconds, 3 seconds, 4 seconds, ..." except it goes uses a period much smaller than seconds and does it really fast. The computer then knows how far into the record the needle is and can therefore jump into your mp3 the same amount of time. Now if it hears the time going backwards ( "5 seconds, 4 seconds, 3 seconds,..") then it knows the play the song backwards. Likewise, if it hears the timecode going faster or slower, it will speed up or slow down the mp3. This is the basic idea, but there are variations such as the possibility that if your record skips ("4 seconds, 5 seconds, 20 seconds, 21 seconds, ...") you may or may not want your song to skip, so there are ways to make the s/w smart enough to know the difference between an accidental skip and a purposeful needle drop and react (or not react) differently for each.
I hope this clears up some of the mystery. When I first heard of TCV (the original Final Scratch before it was bought by Stanton and became commercial) I was amazed, and just had to dig in and found out the specifics of how it worked.
-Frd
However, if this really bothers you, then here is a simplified explanation: The sound on the TCV is heard by the computer and the computer translates it into a repeating timestamp; kinda like someone calling out: "1 second, 2 seconds, 3 seconds, 4 seconds, ..." except it goes uses a period much smaller than seconds and does it really fast. The computer then knows how far into the record the needle is and can therefore jump into your mp3 the same amount of time. Now if it hears the time going backwards ( "5 seconds, 4 seconds, 3 seconds,..") then it knows the play the song backwards. Likewise, if it hears the timecode going faster or slower, it will speed up or slow down the mp3. This is the basic idea, but there are variations such as the possibility that if your record skips ("4 seconds, 5 seconds, 20 seconds, 21 seconds, ...") you may or may not want your song to skip, so there are ways to make the s/w smart enough to know the difference between an accidental skip and a purposeful needle drop and react (or not react) differently for each.
I hope this clears up some of the mystery. When I first heard of TCV (the original Final Scratch before it was bought by Stanton and became commercial) I was amazed, and just had to dig in and found out the specifics of how it worked.
-Frd
Posted Wed 29 Jun 05 @ 4:36 pm
frd1963
Also, to answer your original question, DJAditya is correct. The mixer is seen by the comouter as just a sound card. It's control positions are not known by the computer and therefore can't be mapped.
Posted Wed 29 Jun 05 @ 4:39 pm
am now thinking that the Numark USB DXM-01 24 Bit Digital Mixer was not the best of ideas as it once was.
Seeing you use a MAYA soundcard will i also need to invest in another external soundcard ? becasue if thats the case it looks like the Numark is going to be on its way back because there was no point in me buying it as i thought the onboard soundcard option would be spot on for what was needed.
(as you can see i am not very technical)
Seeing you use a MAYA soundcard will i also need to invest in another external soundcard ? becasue if thats the case it looks like the Numark is going to be on its way back because there was no point in me buying it as i thought the onboard soundcard option would be spot on for what was needed.
(as you can see i am not very technical)
Posted Wed 29 Jun 05 @ 5:13 pm
djaditya
But, according to the website, the numarks soundcards are pretty good ones, wth >105db signal-noise ratio. thats the sama as a maya. isnt it?
Posted Thu 30 Jun 05 @ 7:44 am
djaditya
Hey, maybe you could use the Numark to set it up to work like a Maya 44...
i dont work with tts, but, think about this, Connect the tts to the phono of the Numark. Then connect the Numark to the pc via USB. Maybe then you can play around with VDJs settings and get them to work.
Regards
aditya
i dont work with tts, but, think about this, Connect the tts to the phono of the Numark. Then connect the Numark to the pc via USB. Maybe then you can play around with VDJs settings and get them to work.
Regards
aditya
Posted Thu 30 Jun 05 @ 9:29 am
Alrite people thanks alot for the help.
See im hoping to run a set up with the numark mixer, 2 turntables a laptop and 2 timecoded vinyls.
sorry for being full of questions but i love the idea but i cant get my head around the technology!
thankyou people
See im hoping to run a set up with the numark mixer, 2 turntables a laptop and 2 timecoded vinyls.
sorry for being full of questions but i love the idea but i cant get my head around the technology!
thankyou people
Posted Thu 30 Jun 05 @ 2:51 pm
djaditya
DJ Outlaw, the mp3 or wav does not get transfered to the vinyl at all. The tcv has a signal being sent to the soundcard, and this signal kinda is just a long beep. This is translated into time values. Then the software (VDJ) takes these time values and plays around with it when you play around with your vinyl.
If you wanna know how the time code sounds like, go to the downloads link, and then go to timecode cds and download a timecode.mp3 file there...thats how it sounds. This sound signal is translated into time, and thus, when u start playing your track, the time code signal progresses in time and thus, vdj also plays the mp3 for the same time. Suppose you scratch, then the time code will be at a different time value, so vdj also follows this same time value and simulates the scratch.
Hope you got this...i personally have never used a turn-table, leave alone a tcv. But i knda figured out this and now i wann invest in some good tts and go for tcv or maybe cdjs and tcds....
regards,
aditya
If you wanna know how the time code sounds like, go to the downloads link, and then go to timecode cds and download a timecode.mp3 file there...thats how it sounds. This sound signal is translated into time, and thus, when u start playing your track, the time code signal progresses in time and thus, vdj also plays the mp3 for the same time. Suppose you scratch, then the time code will be at a different time value, so vdj also follows this same time value and simulates the scratch.
Hope you got this...i personally have never used a turn-table, leave alone a tcv. But i knda figured out this and now i wann invest in some good tts and go for tcv or maybe cdjs and tcds....
regards,
aditya
Posted Thu 30 Jun 05 @ 3:03 pm
hey there aditya,
you have completely answered my questions about Time coded vinyl and how it works now! im going to feel alot more confident when i purchase all the equipment now !!
By sounds of things you hit a similar point to me, i am definately investing in a couple of TCVinyls and going to link my tts with my numark mixer and try and get it going, it definately sounds like a serious advancement in music technology and is something i am keen to get going!
Thanks for the help! What kind of music do you mix BTW? and wherebouts you from? i play really experimental techno and VDJ truely does enable so much more creativity when you are playing
you have completely answered my questions about Time coded vinyl and how it works now! im going to feel alot more confident when i purchase all the equipment now !!
By sounds of things you hit a similar point to me, i am definately investing in a couple of TCVinyls and going to link my tts with my numark mixer and try and get it going, it definately sounds like a serious advancement in music technology and is something i am keen to get going!
Thanks for the help! What kind of music do you mix BTW? and wherebouts you from? i play really experimental techno and VDJ truely does enable so much more creativity when you are playing
Posted Fri 01 Jul 05 @ 10:26 am
djaditya
Anytime DJ, Im from India...one of the only VDJ users (having the retailn not cracked version!!!) here...I mix a lot of House, trance, not into hiphop (so not much into scratch djing)!
regards,
aditya
regards,
aditya
Posted Fri 01 Jul 05 @ 12:22 pm
bagpuss
I was looking at that Numark mixer, it actually does look practical and quite useful to some.., really qite a useful tool in the DDJ world.
Posted Sat 02 Jul 05 @ 2:25 pm
lopez453
Actually a was on vacation but ordered and got Numark DXM01USB last week.
Looks kool, works quite good:
CONS:
------
-when using USB mode (on channel 1 or 2) and you had EQs, at max and gain too you hear
the noise as from cheap built in soundcard. BUt when set to usable levels the beeps were unaudible.
-you have to manually set the volume to the maximum in windows mixer after plugging the usb in the pc. THe soundcard is defaultly set to middle (but very low) volume.
- You can choose what you want to record separately for both cards (left input or record out) on the first card, (right input or master out) for the second usb card, but
YOU RECORD WHAT YOU HEAR, so if you play sound thru vdj, you will record what you play from vdj
not from the analog input, TCVs ARE UNUSABLE thru this inputs
- don't get surprised if you cannot hear the microphone in the headphones or when you record your mix
on the pc. It is connected only to the MASTER out plugs after the D/A output converter.
I worried that the mic in is blown out.
PROS:
------
- inputs have sufficient gain to connect even the wireless microphone to the line in
- the SUBBASS is really cool and adds the power to the music you play (mostly audible when you speed up the song that looses the deep bass because of speed up)
- looks like fully digital - the sound from vdj is not converted to analog and then again recorded to digital
but is directly digitally mixed and the only conversion is on the output
- separate indicators for both channels and master
- external 9volt DC adapter - less noise inside the case :-)
- good faders (xfader user replacable)
Looks kool, works quite good:
CONS:
------
-when using USB mode (on channel 1 or 2) and you had EQs, at max and gain too you hear
the noise as from cheap built in soundcard. BUt when set to usable levels the beeps were unaudible.
-you have to manually set the volume to the maximum in windows mixer after plugging the usb in the pc. THe soundcard is defaultly set to middle (but very low) volume.
- You can choose what you want to record separately for both cards (left input or record out) on the first card, (right input or master out) for the second usb card, but
YOU RECORD WHAT YOU HEAR, so if you play sound thru vdj, you will record what you play from vdj
not from the analog input, TCVs ARE UNUSABLE thru this inputs
- don't get surprised if you cannot hear the microphone in the headphones or when you record your mix
on the pc. It is connected only to the MASTER out plugs after the D/A output converter.
I worried that the mic in is blown out.
PROS:
------
- inputs have sufficient gain to connect even the wireless microphone to the line in
- the SUBBASS is really cool and adds the power to the music you play (mostly audible when you speed up the song that looses the deep bass because of speed up)
- looks like fully digital - the sound from vdj is not converted to analog and then again recorded to digital
but is directly digitally mixed and the only conversion is on the output
- separate indicators for both channels and master
- external 9volt DC adapter - less noise inside the case :-)
- good faders (xfader user replacable)
Posted Wed 13 Jul 05 @ 2:49 pm
antileon
Can u use TCV's with the built-in soundcard along with it's mixer, DXM01USB?
Posted Wed 13 Jul 05 @ 7:14 pm
lopez453
if you mean connect the TCV to mixer and set the virtualdj to record from the DXM:
mixer soundcards are recording what you hear in the corresponding channel
so you have to switch the mixer inputs to hear the TCV's in order to be able to record them.
This way you cannot output the vdj output to mixer since you are "listening" to the TCV signal.
You have to use other soundcard for output for example HDJC.
mixer soundcards are recording what you hear in the corresponding channel
so you have to switch the mixer inputs to hear the TCV's in order to be able to record them.
This way you cannot output the vdj output to mixer since you are "listening" to the TCV signal.
You have to use other soundcard for output for example HDJC.
Posted Thu 14 Jul 05 @ 10:54 am
djaditya
Does this mixer have 240v ac input or 120v ac input or both compatible?
Posted Tue 19 Jul 05 @ 6:36 am
