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does anybody know when this wonder machine is native in VDJ ???

because it's a pain in the f***k a s s that i cant configure the jogwheel because it only sends out one note in midi...
 
Posted Fri 16 Jul 10 @ 9:52 am
What kind of configuration problems are you having with the jogwheel exactly? I've got Xone 1D which has the same jogwheel, and I've been able to configure it to work just fine in jogwheel mode...but not in speedwheel mode.

Sidenote: Why is that Virtual DJ doesn't have any native support for Xone-series controllers? Seems weird, since the support for Pioneer and Denon devices is good, and Allen & Heath is also a big player in the pro-DJ gear market.
 
1. Mind your language
2. If you register your license then you could download mappings for the 3D then tweak to suit the 4D.
3. The jogwheels can be mapped in VDJ. If they don't work with the simple mapper then you just need to create a definition and mapping file combo for it. Details on this are in the wiki.
 
SBDJ: was just letting off some steam...

I've been using the 4D with traktor, but wanted to tried out the video side of dj'ing, so before i buy, i'll try.. (demo vers.)
but it does seems strange that VDJ doesn't support Xone gear considering thier many years of pro use in nightclubs.

regarding Wiki pages...
I've looked at them, but still can't figure out how you configure the jogwheel, that only has one midi note, so that it can see if I'm moving it left or right ????

maybe it's just me, but using the Hercules DJ console Rmx it sends one note moving left and another moving right, but how does the 4D know wich way you're moving it ??
 
This is the parameter I'm using for Xone 1D:

param_greater 50% ? deck active touchwheel -1.0 : deck active touchwheel +1.0

In your case you just map it individually for both left and right jogwheels (replace "deck active" with "deck left" and "deck right").
 
AuralCandy.Net: thank you, but got it to work, don't ask how... LOL...

another question:
there are two midi map built in the xone 4d:

1. map 1 - traktor default (lightpipe on (light all the time)
2. map 1 - traktor (lightpipe off (light toggles on an off with each press of a button)

3. map 2 - Apleton default (lightpipe on (light toggles on an of with each press of a button)
4. map 2 - Apleton (lightpipe off (no light at all)

I'm running # 4 because of full use of the encoders in the top of the controller.

Here is my question, how do I get the light on a button to either flash or turn on, when the button is in use ?

example: press play (light flashes) press cue (light turns on, play stops flashing) press stop (all light turns off) let sync flash in sync with the bpm.

if anyone knows how to do this pleace tell me....
 
my definition lines looks like this :

<button note="0x26" name="cue_1" deck="1"/>
<button note="0x46" name="cue_1" deck="2"/>
<button note="0x22" name="sync_1" deck="1"/>
<button note="0x42" name="sync_2" deck="2"/>
<button note="0x14" name="play_1" deck="1"/>
<button note="0x34" name="play_2" deck="2"/>
<button note="0x17" name="stop_1" deck="1"/>
<button note="0x37" name="stop_2" deck="2"/>

and my mapping lines looks like this :

<map value="cue_1" action="cue" />
<map value="cue_2" action="cue" />
<map value="sync_1" action="sync" />
<map value="sync_2" action="sync" />
<map value="play_1" action="play_pause" />
<map value="play_2" action="play_pause" />
<map value="stop_1" action="stop" />
<map value="stop_2" action="stop" />
where do i enter the code for making the light flash like descriped above, and what is the code ??
 
As far as I know, it's not possible to make the lights work like you described. It would require two-way HID-functionality, which is not possible since Xone-series controllers are only MIDI-devices.
 
Surely the lights can be MIDI controlled?
 
As far as I understood the manual, they can't. The lights on the buttons have 3 modes; always on, always off & on/off when pressed.
 
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Surely the lights can be MIDI controlled?
Yup, 's right.

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As far as I understood the manual, they can't.

Erm, actually, if the application you're using is capable of sending MIDI messages, it's possible to control the status of the 8 LEDs on the XONE:4D MIDI banks (4 on L bank, 4 on right) via MIDI sent from the DAW app.

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The lights on the buttons have 3 modes; always on, always off & on/off when pressed.

This was the case for 3D, but if your 4D's running v1.03 MIDI firmware (all units in the field should be by now), or later, there are four modes available:
MAP1/LIGHT CONN: ON = all LEDs always on

MAP2/LIGHT CONN: ON = LEDs toggle on/off when pressed

MAP1/LIGHT CONN: OFF =LEDs OFF, but respond to MIDI OUTPUT from DAW

MAP2/LIGHT CONN: OFF =LEDs OFF, but respond to MIDI OUTPUT from DAW

see p.11& 12 of the issue2 User Guide for details.


The real difference between Map Modes 1 & 2 is the type of MIDI messages transmitted by the top row of MIDI encoders:
3 x NOTE ON/OFF messages in Mode 1
1 x NOTE ON/OFF + 1 x CC message in Mode 2
(see p.39 of the manual)

Hope that helps a bit

Cheers
; )
 
This is directed at the A&H guy; will Allen & Heath be making an overlay for the Xone 4D? they have overlays for Ableton, Traktor etc on the A&H website which can be downloaded.
It seems very tacky to me to expect someone to pay £1,300+ on a quality bit of equipment and then they have to download an overlay and print it themselves.
For the money you charge for your eqpt A&H should have overlays professionally printed available so that the purchaser can choose according to the software he will use with it.
 
Yep, this is one of the main reasons I got rid of my 3D, it's hard enough without guessing what does what.

You would of thought that it would of been mapped and overlays would of been made to suite.
 
But the whole idea of assignable controls is that every user can configure them differently, so an overlay that suits me may not suit you for example. That's why they leave it to the user.
 
groovindj wrote :
But the whole idea of assignable controls is that every user can configure them differently, so an overlay that suits me may not suit you for example. That's why they leave it to the user.


FFS Groovin! how many more times are you gonna say that!!
Yes, that is understood, it is a very simple concept, you do not have to keep repeating it. However if you actually read what I have written on this or the other threads on this and the other forum, you may see that I am referring to the overlays that A&H have provided for users of Ableton and for Traktor, So I am simply asking them (not you!) whether they will be creating an overlay for VDJ!
 
Yes, I understand that everyone maps there controllers differently but there are key buttons that are naturally better for certain things. Why not just do overlays for these.

Anyway don't have A&H so not a problem to me.

PS,

Groovin DJ stop winding people up lol
 
winyard wrote :
FFS Groovin! how many more times are you gonna say that!!

Well I could say "how many times are you going to ask if they're making overlays?"...

To be honest I didn't notice that it was you asking again, so I gave the same answer as A&H always do.

You'd be better off emailing A&H support directly for an answer - but they'll tell you the same thing.
 
No disrespect, but this is the kind of "user requests" that causes prices to go up and is passed on to those who just dont give a crap about the thing that caused it to go up. Most users buy hardware to use with the software it was designed in mind to work with.

I bought a A&H Xone DX earlier this year thinking I could make it work with Virtual DJ and Traktor. Then basically I would have my choice between the 3 major DJ Software packages. However I found it requires alot of work, knowledge of MIDI, sound routing, and education of limitations between HW and SW. Even after HOURS and HOURS of attempting to make that hardware work with VDJ and Traktor, it does not work nearly as smooth and slick as ITCH.

I have been watching this thread because some of the 4D mapping issues mentioned are also felt on the DX. But I have felt enough pain to just accept it was not made for VDJ and even the Traktor maps from A&H have their own hazzards. Just works far better with ITCH, which is luckily why I bought the DX. I wanted the out of box HW and SW marriage.
 
I can't understand the problems people have. Surely you can just use the simple MIDI learn to map the controls?!
 
SBDJ wrote :
I can't understand the problems people have. Surely you can just use the simple MIDI learn to map the controls?!


I just saw VDJ7 came out. One of the major issues with the Xone DX was the master and headphone volume was on channels VDJ didnt support. So that limitation didnt really make working through all the mapper issues worth it.

I had a support ticket open on this SBDJ and what it came down to is I needed to completely script with a definition file because of the jog wheels and encoder knobs would not work via simple mapper. So basically the jog wheel and pitch knob would not map, which are two pretty important functions for any DJ software. :)

I just never took enough time to think through it because of the sound channel limitations. Now that VDJ offers that capability, it may be worth a go again. But wont have time anytime soon based on what I know of task. :)
 
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