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Topic: Pioneer DDJ-1000 vs 1000SRT
Posted 5 days ago @ 11:20 pm
olyndtaylor wrote :
With Virtual DJ, is there any advantage to the DDJ-1000SRT over the DDJ-1000?
This is a great question, since the most people don't know the exact difference between the SRT and the regular DDJ-1000.
I am into deep in this thing, so I hope and think that I can answer this question in a qualified and understandable manner.
First you have to know that there are TWO different kinds of devices/work-interfaces/setups.
They are roughly called "MIDI" and "Standalone".
Is just like the remote for your TV.
It only sends commands to your laptop and it is regularly not able to play or read music-files by itself.
So without a computer a simple MIDI-Controller is kinda useless.
Like you have to have a TV to watch, a remote without TV is useless.
Devices which are able to play a music-source (CD, USB-Sticks, Vinyls, etc.) are formally known as "Standalone".
So this name indicated a device which can operate without a laptop.
But nowadays almost every standalone device is capable of MIDI. So it means that there are a lot of hybrids.
(CDJs, XDJs, DJMs, Denon Players & Mixers, etc.)
Now if you reflect this to the use of any device it means:
A player plays music by itself.
And a mixer is able to change volumes, EQs, effects, etc. by itself, which a MIDI-only device is not capable of.
And finally there are the DDJ-1000 and its "grown-up" SRT brother.
The both players/decks of both devices do exactly the same.
So there is no single difference except of some different named buttons. You have to decide which you like more.
The main thing is that they only send & receive MIDI as usual and are not able of playing music by themselfs.
The mixer is the big crux of the matter in this devices.
In "EXTERNAL MODE" (meaning to connect an external player to the mixers channels and switch them to "LINE IN" for example) both mixers behave the same way. So they behave just like normal DJM-Mixers and process the signals as a normal standalone mixer. They change the volume, EQs, and even effects. Both in the same way.
It all comes down to the INTERNAL-MODE. So this means to use the mixer inside the software.
While the regular DDJ-1000 is MIDI-ONLY in the internal-mode (for example: if your software/system freezes, the mixer WON'T do anything when moving faders), the SRT remains a STANDALONE mixer, even when you are inside VirtualDJ (if your system freezes, the mixer still does its thing). Also the effects on the SRT take place on the device itself when you are in internal mode, while with the regular DDJ-1000 you are telling VirtualDJ to start effects.
I personally like the SRT more, and also did the switch to the SRT after I bought the regular DDJ-100 first, because I like to have a "real" mixer. It doesn't really make much difference to be honest, but it gives me a better feeling and should relieve the software a little since the software can ignore the whole mixer-section when it comes to MIDI.
Posted 4 days ago @ 4:32 am
1. DDJ-1000 and DDJ-1000SRT perform almost the same way when it comes to analog mixing.
2. DDJ-1000 is capable of "internal" mixing only
3. DDJ-1000SRT is capable of "external" mixing only
4. The infos displayed on the jog display differ a lot between the 2 models
5. DDJ-1000SRT offers hardware effects, while DDJ-1000 offers software effects
Now: Internal VS External mixing is a "big" debate for some users, but these days it doesn't make much difference performance-wise
There are pro's and con's on every mode.
With "internal" mixing the bigger complaint for some users are the gain knobs (which are MIDI) and the way they work with auto-gain.
On the other hand, with "external" mixing mode you loose:
1) Automatic Headphones
3) Post Fader Effects (for software effects)
4) Sampler activation on Master channel (sampler has to be activated on a deck or on a designated separate audio channel)
5) Master Audio Effects
6) Distortion protection (VirtualDJ's built-in limiter works per deck instead of working on master).
That being said, both 1000 and 1000SRT offer their own "hardware/firmware" peakstop limiter on master output. However that's applicable only for those particular models and not a general rule.
PS: DJ software industry is slowly moving away from "pure" external mixing for various reasons, including technical ones like how many audio streams can travel securely through a USB connection with low latency.
VirtualDJ supports both "internal" and "external" mixing modes for many-many years and it doesn't technically prefer one way or another. However when a unit offers both modes, we prefer to use internal mixing as we believe it offers a better mixing experience with our software.
Rekordbox uses "internal" mixing for all the new controllers made for Rekordbox, or controllers that offer both ways. It uses "external" only for older controllers and DJM mixers series.
Serato has switched the last couple years from "external" mixing to a "hybrid" mode (too much technical details for this thread to explain) which is something between "internal" and "external" mixing at the same time.
So... Software (and Controllers) industry is slowly moving away from pure external mixing mode.
Posted 4 days ago @ 9:03 am
Thank you so much for the detailed responses. I really appreciate all the info & insight!
I already have a 1000SRT, but was looking at adding a second system and just wondering if I should spend the extra and stick with the SRT version or not.
Posted 3 days ago @ 8:25 pm
I hope you can work with this informations and figure out the best solution for you situation.
For me personally I think it is better to stick with the same system, since you will use it more intuitionally after a while.
The differences between the 1000 & 1000SRT are not so big, but as PhantomDeejay said, you'll have some different behaviours in some details, which could lead to some confusions during the use. (Also you have to install additional drivers & stuff which put more load on your system).
And to avoid this I would go with the same two devices to leave it the same and performe better because of the growing intuitional knowledge about the device...
But this is surely your decision, so I hope we could help you a little to ease it a bit :)
Posted 2 days ago @ 12:23 pm