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Topic: Virtual Dj 7, 25 september? - Page: 7

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djrenee wrote :
It's about time someone holds Atomix's feet to the fire.


I am hoping for the same thing, my feet need tanning.

groovindj wrote :
I would have liked to see the original sampler design removed and replaced instead by using the extra decks as samplers - perhaps switching from deck to sampler layout when loading a sample file. That way, samples and songs would be on the same screen with waveforms etc.


It stands to reason that the decks use as samplers was the intention, its just a matter of navigating to the samples just like music files.
If the sampler as it is, stays...that doesn't mean it has to be used as such.

djsonance wrote :
Awwww no changes to the sampler? Was really hoping there would be a multi bank sampler introduced or smth.


Maybe we should all wait and see what it CAN do before we draw conclusions and complain.
 
groovindj wrote :
djfluke1 wrote :
Getting past the 99 deck feature in VDJ7, are there any other real enhancments to sound, scratching latency, better effects that we can expect? Or is the whole thing getting hyped just for 99 decks?


I asked "what's new in v7?" at BPM recently, and the first thing mentioned was the number of decks.

Improvements to the sound engine and scratching quality but no changes whatsoever to the sampler!

I would have liked to see the original sampler design removed and replaced instead by using the extra decks as samplers - perhaps switching from deck to sampler layout when loading a sample file. That way, samples and songs would be on the same screen with waveforms etc.




Thanks. Hopefully there are improvements to sound and scratching. Ive been using the NS7 for 6 months now with ITCH and it really is flawless. I jumped from VDJ as a user for 2 years very easily just bc simply i was blown by how well Serato sounded in audio and scratching. It just dosent compare. Yes VDJ has the bells and whistles, but Serato's sound engine is par with none.

Who ever wants to deny that, just tell me and ill record you a video for you to see. To be simple, if VDJ sounded better, you would see an icrease of users using it. And im not talking about some weak mobile DJ how uses automix. Im talking real mobile and club DJ's who mix and don't use songs with intros and outros. A lot of the DJ's on here rely on waves, intros and outros and its annoying.

As well if VDJ was able to handle proper scratching, as much as the team pushes all features (video, plug ins etc) why isint a real scratch DJ at these shows, saying hey guys, look at this, the software can manipulate scratching. Its simply because it cant and maybe one day it will but adding 99 decks really needed? I mean people have been complaining about the same stuff from a while with sound, better scratching, better effects, louder sampler but we get shafted with 99 decks. Ya people are excited...excited for nothing as no one will ever use 99 decks. OR maybe they will just auto mix the shit out of it.




 
I did like the feature of making the track list full screen!

I wonder though, is the screen res still fixed (locked to skin size) or will it expand nicely to fit HD screen sizes without looking awful?

Also, it would be nice to have the ability of two columns in the track list, so on a wide screen you can display twice as many songs - one row on the left and one on the right.
 
djfluke1 wrote :
Ya people are excited...excited for nothing


It's all about personal expectations.

The NS7 was designed for use with Itch from the ground up. VDJ supports the NS7 but will probably never be as good as a program designed exclusively for the controller.

I personally find Serato boring and very lacking in features. How many owners of VDJ own the NS7 or V7, probably well less than 1%, how many owners of VDJ primarily scratch in their shows, probably less than 1%.

Serato is sold on (supposedly not proven) better sound quality (but that's easy as they also make the hardware), simple feature set and good TC performance. If that's what you want then fine, but VDJ is multi-function software that will probably never be as good "at specific" things where bespoke software has been developed exclusively for that purpose.

I personally use VDJ in a club with the Denon HC-4500 and I am perfectly happy. I will never use Karaoke, samples, 99 decks or many of the other features, but it's perfect for my personal requirements. If you prefer itch for the performance over VDJ's multiple feature set then it's your choice.

Keith
 
djfluke1 wrote :
Thanks. Hopefully there are improvements to sound and scratching. Ive been using the NS7 for 6 months now with ITCH and it really is flawless. I jumped from VDJ as a user for 2 years very easily just bc simply i was blown by how well Serato sounded in audio and scratching. It just dosent compare. Yes VDJ has the bells and whistles, but Serato's sound engine is par with none.

Who ever wants to deny that, just tell me and ill record you a video for you to see. To be simple, if VDJ sounded better, you would see an icrease of users using it. And im not talking about some weak mobile DJ how uses automix. Im talking real mobile and club DJ's who mix and don't use songs with intros and outros. A lot of the DJ's on here rely on waves, intros and outros and its annoying.

As well if VDJ was able to handle proper scratching, as much as the team pushes all features (video, plug ins etc) why isint a real scratch DJ at these shows, saying hey guys, look at this, the software can manipulate scratching. Its simply because it cant and maybe one day it will but adding 99 decks really needed? I mean people have been complaining about the same stuff from a while with sound, better scratching, better effects, louder sampler but we get shafted with 99 decks. Ya people are excited...excited for nothing as no one will ever use 99 decks. OR maybe they will just auto mix the shit out of it.


I guess you missed this post that I made from the Atlantic City - DJ Expo .... and since you are a NS7 user ... btw -- he is using version 6.1.2 so not sure what you are talking about when you say "As well if VDJ was able to handle proper scratching" and yet we still improved it in v7 as mentioned by groovindj in his post above ....
 
Wow, is it a latency issue in the above vid that is bothering me or is Richie Rich having some other sort of problem? Probably just the setup / config.

Anyway my two cents... I agree the scratching on VDJ needs to be improved. Both via timecode vinyl and controller. By comparison Traktor's engine is vastly superior in both respects. I do use VDJ most of the time but with Traktor receiving controller data then resending to VDJ via VDJ timecode. That has worked the best for me and truely gets me that vinyl feel. I wish the DEV guys would build their engine and test side by side with Traktor and Serato. Especially at slow speeds and on / off, touch / release, etc. And have Scratch DEV guys on board too, if they don't already.

BTW... I've used both VDJ and Traktor for many, many years and have had multiple controllers (XP10, VCI-100, Kontrol DJ, Hercules, etc) and have used many different timecode vinyl records (Traktor, Serato, VDJ). And, have scratched for 20+ years.

After all that... I still love VDJ! I just want improved scratching ;o)
 
On a side note, I am building a new system based on my old setup but with the addition of two iPads and a custom built usb-midi mixer, etc. I'll keep ya'll posted. And, of course I'm planning on using quality controller style scratching. Which I've strived to emulate as best I can, the whole time.
 
dJdAb wrote :
Wow, is it a latency issue in the above vid that is bothering me or is Richie Rich having some other sort of problem? Probably just the setup / config.


Depending on your connection - it could be in the latency of watching the video ... but if you were there and seeing it first hand ... latency was not an issue.
 
I was, and it was not.
Even Chris Roman from Numark was impressed when I posted this on FB and he is very particular about how things operate.
 
I did not mean video vs audio timing. I meant in general his timing seems a little off. Might be due to latency somewhere... Performance settings, usb bus, acoustics, VDJ sound engine, etc.

btw... feel free to search "dJ dAb scratch" on youtube. You'll find some of my videos (XP10 controllers, Faderfox Mixer, innoFader custom install, VDJ w/ platter messages sent to Traktor running VDJ timecode then back to VDJ... as mentioned above)

Also, I think the type of scratching Rich is doing is more X-fader based and what I'm doing more platter based scratching. And, no I'm not saying my scratching is perfect but pretty good for XP10's and my old school technique.

-dJ dAb
 
Someone could be so gentle to explain what scratching X-fader and platter based are?

Perhaps I am not the only one who doesn't know those.
 
btw... I love Virtual DJ!!! I am just hoping for some updates within VDJ7 concerning sound engine. I will continue to work on getting VDJ working flawlessly when scratching. I'm always trying new ideas, coding, etc.

 
sischo wrote :
Someone could be so gentle to explain what scratching X-fader and platter based are?

Perhaps I am not the only one who doesn't know those.


Just a couple examples:

FADER BASED: Transform (Quick-rhythmatic fader movements and slowly moving the platter back and forth or not at all)
PLATTER BASED: Vibrate (Platter movement with hardly any or no fader movement)

Of course it's best to combine both platter and fader movements.
 
cstoll wrote :
djfluke1 wrote :
Thanks. Hopefully there are improvements to sound and scratching. Ive been using the NS7 for 6 months now with ITCH and it really is flawless. I jumped from VDJ as a user for 2 years very easily just bc simply i was blown by how well Serato sounded in audio and scratching. It just dosent compare. Yes VDJ has the bells and whistles, but Serato's sound engine is par with none.

Who ever wants to deny that, just tell me and ill record you a video for you to see. To be simple, if VDJ sounded better, you would see an icrease of users using it. And im not talking about some weak mobile DJ how uses automix. Im talking real mobile and club DJ's who mix and don't use songs with intros and outros. A lot of the DJ's on here rely on waves, intros and outros and its annoying.

As well if VDJ was able to handle proper scratching, as much as the team pushes all features (video, plug ins etc) why isint a real scratch DJ at these shows, saying hey guys, look at this, the software can manipulate scratching. Its simply because it cant and maybe one day it will but adding 99 decks really needed? I mean people have been complaining about the same stuff from a while with sound, better scratching, better effects, louder sampler but we get shafted with 99 decks. Ya people are excited...excited for nothing as no one will ever use 99 decks. OR maybe they will just auto mix the shit out of it.


I guess you missed this post that I made from the Atlantic City - DJ Expo .... and since you are a NS7 user ... btw -- he is using version 6.1.2 so not sure what you are talking about when you say "As well if VDJ was able to handle proper scratching" and yet we still improved it in v7 as mentioned by groovindj in his post above ....




CSTOLL:

Show me some one with a VCI using VDJ that can do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cZ2TvrFJL0

V7 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4jKMAf6CL4

Just listen how much crisper it sounds.

Numark NS7 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k8YVT4374c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNsRxGdK9nU&feature=related

For all the DJ's that want to comment saying they suck or whatever, dont comment until you have a video debating it. Talk is cheep.

Back on topic. Everyone appreciates the work the team puts in, but not all DJS are juke box style djs that like auto mix or use intros and outros for songs. Thats a lot of VDJ DJs and no one can deny that. Quality overshadows Quantity. VDJ is all about quantity. Lets have everything shoved into this software and compensate on quality. Its too open source in my opinion. When you have real controllers out there by Numark, Denon, PIO , they dont operate in the same way. This is why Serato is superior in my opnion. They dont cater too 300 controllers. Teh ones that work with SSL have been tested like crazy and are flawless when matched. They dont need to support ADJ's controllers, or Hercules, or freaking some cheep plastic ones. Why should they? This is where VDJ lacks. Lets support all the ones we can take and use the same style mappers for all of them.

I mean in VDJ 6.0,8 the latency on motorized platters really got improved. But why did it take so long? Why couldnt this of been done a while ago, and now we would have this improved scratching youre talking about in VDJ 7 and VDJ y would of had some other innovative feature?? Its bc you were too busy adding all the junk controllers into mappers...
 
Think about it though - priorities are different for different people. How much time was 'wasted' adding NS7 support for example? It's of no relevance to me, but it certainly is to others so in that sense it's not a waste.
 
One of the strongest feature of VDJ, as they write in virtualdj home-page, is "The most flexible DJ software on the market!" so VirtualDJ can live even because people can use this software with Vestas, Hercules and Numark as well as Pioneer or Denon.

Probably for you djfluke1, that is a wasting of time, but for Atomix is a market. Don't forget that Serato has its own hardware while VirtualDJ hasn't.
 
Please just put some pro scratch guys in the room with the DEV guys, for a day or two. I feel like this hasn't been done. Has it? I'm sure the coding can be done right.
 
I fully understand. But there is a reason why so much time was wasted, it was due to demand and they knew they had too... I mean the denon 5500 came out what 2-3 years ago maybe? Why up until last April that it took that VDJ version to improve motorized wheel support? As demand is increasing and Atomix knows they have too. But why is it such a low priority? As the crowd or clients who use it, are not considered club DJ.s Like i said its the juke box style automix DJS that use this software. Im sure some real club mobile djs use it, but lets talk #'s...thats a very small #. I mix,beat mix, scratch, and all. i do a lot of weddings, 60-70 a year, pretty mucy around 150 events a year. I have my own office and this is my business. I have not used the ns7 with vdj yet at a show. Until that mic gets fixed i wont.. and i do kinda miss vdj,but that first time i used itch i was blown away by how accurate it sounded. Blew me away.

And Sisho, i understand what you mean but maybe waste of time is the wrong wording...but MUCH more attention is needed on high end controllers like PIO, denons or numarks. Realisticly speaking it cannot take that long for automix to map a god damn hercules rmx, numark idj3, or numark mix deck, or those cheep vestax units. But when PIO releases a high end player which we know the wheel is very accurate, why isint time spent on that. Why do they just care about lets make sure we have it in the mappers list, and then we will iron out the bugs. or screw the bugs, well make the wheel workable, but not as good as it can be. Are you honestly telling me they cannot make it as good as Serato? If they cannot, maybe they need new engineers. If they can, why havent they? What is priority? To keep adding support for new controllers? Come on man. What about effects??? God damn that flanger sounds like shit...
 
How anybody wants to use this software is of their own choosing and style, I personally cannot stand scratching over a track but I would never would want to try and put anybodys style of working down. But I also understand you wanting to get more for the style you do, just don't lambast anyone elses' way of working.
 
tayla wrote :
How anybody wants to use this software is of their own choosing and style, I personally cannot stand scratching over a track but I would never would want to try and put anybodys style of working down. But I also understand you wanting to get more for the style you do, just don't lambast anyone elses' way of working.


Agreed. But high end equipment deserves high end contol, especially from the "best dj software"

My whole argument plain and simple is that too much time is spent on trying to add controllers into the software but not enough time is spent on making the existing high end controllers better in terms of manipulation.
 
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