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Reggae DJs, given the fact that so many modern Reggae & Dancehall tracks are "riddim" based, how are you managing the fact that vDJ's bpm engine will so often calculate a x2 bpm value, even when the Allow bpm <80 option is selected ? Additionally, how do you manage vDJ calculating different music key values for tracks within the same riddim? Do you make manual adjustments?

Now that 5.1 has incorporated the Camelot values and rearranged the database fields so that it pretty much forces a recalculation of the music key values which also forces an update and change of previously manually adjusted bpm values, is the only solution to manually adjust the bpm values all over again? This would be a LOT of manual work would it not?

 
Posted Thu 24 Jul 08 @ 6:45 am
well, yeah, and this is what i've had to do, and still am, from march to present, i've been re-doing my database, calculating the BPM's with MixMeister, rather than VDJ's incorrect values, and setting the desired cue points, so far i'm 1/4 through my WHOLE library of 9000+ songs, and if i do one dancehall song, i have to do all the songs on that riddim, so yeah it gets hectic!
 
Jus right click the particular file and then click the "/2" option or what do is create each a new folder for each new riddim compilation, name it by year-bpm-riddim name..

eg. 2008-095-Unfinished_Business
 
Well as for me it doesn't matter because 120bpm is the same as 60bpm(vice-a-versa),they both can mix together without a problem.And to tell you the honest true VDJ 5.1 is the best thing since slice bread,I love the BPM engine and if you are a experience DJ you can listen to song and tell the BPM instantly.
 
dj raymond wrote :
Well as for me it doesn't matter because 120bpm is the same as 60bpm(vice-a-versa),they both can mix together without a problem.And to tell you the honest true VDJ 5.1 is the best thing since slice bread,I love the BPM engine and if you are a experience DJ you can listen to song and tell the BPM instantly.


I have alot of Drum 'N' Bass tracks, that read 70-85 bpm, and I know that they are not that slow, lol. All I have to do is double the bpm of them to get the true reading, It probably takes me about 2 secs to do the working out in my head, so really it's no big issue.

 
Hip-hop does the same thing. In one of the setting windows, there is an option to change the bpm engine from dance to other. That helps a little, but not much. Unless it's a "dance" track (house, trance, progressive) most bpm engines have a hard time identifying the beat if it's not that vanilla bass on 1 and 3 and snare on 2 and 4. Personally, I just note the bpm of the track and use the + / - view to get in the neighborhood, then fine tune it. As for the the key of a song, I use Logic to change that if I find the need. I could be wrong on this, but to change the key in VDJ, you would need to take key lock off and adjust it with the pitch. Using the same riddim, that would present beat matching problems.
 
@dj raymond, yes you are correct that 80 & 160 are one in the same for mixing. I guess I'm trying to find a quick way to redo my BPMs since for a significant part of my Reggae library where vDJ calculated a riddim @ 160, I had prior to vDj 5.1 manually changed to 80.... because 80 is the true BPM. So now that vDJ is automatically updating the BPMs for every song I load with 5.1 (because it wants to update the song Key values) it is setting 80s back to 160s. Guess I'll have to join the DJSparkxxx01 manual edit club. I'm Lazy.
 
HiTower wrote :
I could be wrong on this, but to change the key in VDJ, you would need to take key lock off and adjust it with the pitch. Using the same riddim, that would present beat matching problems.


Not so in 5.1, when practicing my blends via TCCD I use key matching on many songs. Just leave key lock on and then adjust the key, I have mapped knobs off my Korg padkontrol for just that, you can also map shortcuts for key reset;^]
 
Timmyg1978 wrote :


Not so in 5.1, when practicing my blends via TCCD I use key matching on many songs. Just leave key lock on and then adjust the key, I have mapped knobs off my Korg padkontrol for just that, you can also map shortcuts for key reset;^]

Cool. Thanks Timmy.
 
I strongly doubt a 100% perfect BPM analyzer exists.. :(
 
to tell you the truth.... the bmp x2 i can live with... (manually edit) i have personally gone through over 5,000 vids just to ensure that bpms are right...

and yes dj raymond it does matter.. lets say u do a search of songs with bpms 76 - 80..... I am pretty sure... no 152 - 160 bpms will come up

the key... is a sore point thing
The riddim is the same... but keys are different....(just wondering here)

Could it possible mean that vdj also analyzes the vocals along with the instrumental???
and would it suggest therefore that the artistes are the one singing of key therefore the problem with key detection.??

believe it or not... i have tried remixing songs on the same instrumental (sort of test)

first i read the key of the instrumental by itself....
then i lay the acapella with a different key reading mix.... key automatically changes for that particular remix
however if i use the same key acapella as the instrumental.. and it remains the same???
 
digijoc-Mele wrote :
Reggae DJs, given the fact that so many modern Reggae & Dancehall tracks are "riddim" based, how are you managing the fact that vDJ's bpm engine will so often calculate a x2 bpm value, even when the Allow bpm <80 option is selected ? Additionally, how do you manage vDJ calculating different music key values for tracks within the same riddim? Do you make manual adjustments?




Allow bpm < 80 = Disabled That's how I got vdj to stop doubling my reggae tracks. ..

I think you may have to restart vdj or even the pc for this setting to take effect. I had this problem with vdj doubling my reggae tracks for years. I changed the "Allow bpm < 80 " setting from enabled to disabled and it did not have any effect when the program was still run or after i closed vdj and restarted.... vjd only stopped doubling the majority of my tracks when i restarted the pc... weird ..yeah i know.
 


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