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Hi just purchased a £390 graphics 8800gtx as part of my pro virtual DJ PC setup.

I have made a custom DJ machine in a 19 rack case consisting of a ..

1 x enamax 1000watt power supply (£200)
1 x Gigatbyte p35 mother board
2 gig kingston memory
1 x rapster wd 74 gig boot drive
1 x 500 gig esata drive

2.6 intel duel core

1 x xfx gforce 8800 gtx (not impressed) 720meg


as u can see not to many corners cut with the hardware

well the new 8800 gtx card turned up lunch time, uninstalled the old nvidia drivers for my nvidia gforce 6800GS which I may say works better than the new card !

Installed new 8800gtx drivers played my vob files in virtual DJ and everey now and again I see a frame paulse / glitch on the monitors and even if view it on the window in virtual DJ.


The drivers took for ever to install, 3 times as long as the 6800GS drivers, New card get so hot you could fry an egg on it and thats with out a case around the motherboard, and has cost me £400. So I am not at all happy.

I have gone back to my old 6800gs card for the mo as this seems to work better ???

1) Question I have are ... could this card be a faulty card ??

2) Is Abit better than Nvidia ?

3) Have I gone over the top with this card ??

4) Is this more of a games card than card for virtual DJ video ?

5) Has anyone else had these problems

6) Im not happy how hot this card get even when its not doing anything, I mean this card gets HHHHHHHHOOOOOTTTTTT !!

and that\'s with no case around the baord and in November !


Is virtual DJ not compatible with this real highend card or is this just a rougue card I have ??? (card is glittchy every no and then with frames when watching my vobs)

the only thing i have not done is reistalled windows the only thing installed is virtual DJ and my mtherboard drivers,


any help would be appreciated, but i think this supper card is ready to be returned, but what card do i replace it with.... NOT HAPPY WITH THIS ONE !


Thanks

John
 
Posted Fri 02 Nov 07 @ 6:01 pm
I don't own this card, but if I did, the first think I would do, is go to forum for this card. Find out if the temperature you describe, is typical or way out of the norm. You may want to get a thermometer and take an actual reading. I am going to guess that you have already confirmed that the fan is working? Just like this forum, they will be able to help you. Maybe it is a defective card, and all you need to do is exchange it. You want to get on this right away, so you don't miss the return date.
 
Thanks for you reply

The big question I have when building this super Virtual DJ PC is....

Where is the cut of point when it come to video cards i.e.

I have gone back to a 6800 nvidia at the moment which is a few years old, does not glitch like this new 8800 card which must be faulty and is going back.

BUT,,,,

I am not seeing a great deal of diffrerence in the performance between 6800GS to the 8800gtx other than my old card works better when playing vob videos, ? and this older card does not get anywhere as hot as the 8800.


I want to purchase a new card for this DJ PC system and I thought by going for the top of the range I could not go wrong ??

How much of these high end cards are not being used by virtual DJ and only being used by games ??

Im getting the feeling my £400 card is only using £200 worth of its potential when in virtual DJ, is this so and are really only for gamers ?

this 8800 has 720 meg of memory is it waisted when using virtual DJ can it use all the memory ??

are all the new 8000 series as hot as this one ?? my old 6800 though still has a fan runs much cooler.


Any advise on what is the best card to go for with virtual DJ, with the lowest heat disipation and max features that virtual dj can use would be appreciated

regards

john


 
To be honest, you have asked all the right questions, and given the right answers. It is obvious that money is not a problem for you, but at what point do you say enough? I don't know what the future will bring as far as graphics go, for VDJ. Will it require a Direct X 10 card in the near future? If it does, there will be an nVidia 9000 card out by then. So, at the moment you know that card is overkill. However, the card may still be defective, so at least find that out. If it is, and you put it back in the machine, and get eye popping results, and the heat is manageable, keep it. If not, go back to the card that works.
 
I am sorry to hear of your problems, I own the EVGA version of this card and I have had no problems what so ever. I would just exchange it for a new one first before writing off the 8800.

The Nvidia update drivers always load with no problems for me.

This thing is HUGE and you should expect a good amount of heat. Your 19 inch rack mount case... How is the air flow? I am using a Antec 900 case which now has four 120 mm fans and one 200 mm fan. One just blows on the 8800 itself. I don't have any problems with heat with all these fans. I have not used a rack mount case but some additional cooling might help.

HOP
 
chibie wrote :
has four 120 mm fans and one 200 mm fan. One just blows on the 8800 itself. I don't have any problems with heat with all these fans.HOP



You don't have a heat problem? No shit. With all that air movement, it's a wonder you can keep the machine from taking off. I am laughing my ass off. I'm sorry, I can't hear you.
 
One other very important question is how big is your power supply?? You may not have enough power for that card to run properly, just throwin that out there.
 
The guy has a 1000 watt power supply, and the case is wide open.






(OOps need to open my eyes lol Sorry) Love Discobrian:)
 
ok guys first off i've heard nothing but problems with the 8800 series, this is not limited to vdj either. Secondly its much worse to have a case wide open then a closed one with proper cooling paths. For now with VDJ the cut off point would be the 7600gt this card is already way more then you would ever need running VDJ for video. I'd say at most a 256 card would be the way high end of things.
 
Are you running in XP or Vista? The 8000 series cards are designed for DirectX 10 which is only in Vista. If you upgrade to vista, I bet you will have a performance increase. I'm running an 8600GT on my laptop in Vista and it has no problems at all with VDJ. XP on the other hand has tons of problems with my 8600, it freezes all the time.
 
Hi Guys

First of all let me say thanks to all your replies, i do appreciate it as this is the only way we can all make progress, this forum is great and I hope stays like this forever.

It looks like I have chosen a top of the range video card that is over kill for virtual DJ and designed really for Direct X10 and Vista (Not XP)

I take onboard some of the other post to about cooling, my case design is 4U high 19" rack and has two 24v 6cm fans on the 19" front panels (pulling air from front)

I have chosen a independent power supply for all my fans, because if a fan goes faulty I do not want it taking down the PC !!
I also have two extraction fans at the back of rack sucking the air out.

I am one of these people that do not cut corners and want the job done properly at what ever cost, thus I have just purchased an enamax 1000w psu, for me this is essential, this psu is twice as long as a normal pc psu with two fans and built like a tank thus it being priced at £200.

Years ago I would have said you mad paying £200 for a psu, but this is one of the first thing to go wrong and take the most stress !! My psu spec is classed as (24/7) meaning it can run all year round with no probs. Lets say my pc requires a 700 watt supply It still give me a head room of 300watts to.

So my virtual DJ Pro PC Rack is getting there, I am happy with the Motherboard, happy with the cooling, the psu is great !

Not sure about sound card ??

Not sure about esata (not good the connector is plastic crap and will last about 5 gigs before breaking, so I am investigating SAS (scsi attatched storage)

I am looking for about 2-4 terabytes of extrenal storage (for Video and my DJ music collection), sorry don't like MP3 the quality not good, I use all Wavs only. They do a duel port sas card that has 2 four channels ports, this would allow 8 external hard drives (SAS or esata as they are both compatible)

Western Digital offer a range of enterprise drive with an amazing time spec before failure (1.5 million hours) 130 odd years. Not sure if I fully believe this but hey if I am spending hours recreating my Digital collection, lets store it on the best and most reliable drives money can buy.

So it looks like I messed up with my video card, I think i bought a card that is far to good ! gets far to hot and is only designed for Vista and is far to expensive !! Not a good start for my video side.....

I think I will go for the very top of the range in the 7800 series which I hope will run cooler and work faultlessly with XP ! and have all the power I need.

One other item I have added in my Rack is a pro AV amp made by Kramer (Made in Isreal) top broadcast people use there products... there not cheap but do the job perfectly. The amp I have used has 1 svideo in with two svideo out and two composite out with no degrade to the video picture.... happy days I can now have 4 video outs from my rack..

Once again thanks for you input its all going to help me build the perfect DJ Rack, I have not got more money than sense, but want to do the job right the first time,..... well something like that anyway.

When i finish this system... it will not be something you can buy from a shop, it will have been hours of research, testing, sleepless nights etc. but it will be right in the end.



regards

John

















 
Hero wrote: You don't have a heat problem? No shit. With all that air movement, it's a wonder you can keep the machine from taking off. I am laughing my ass off. I'm sorry, I can't hear you.

Well as I struggle to keep my PC from flying away, I don't have trouble EVER with my system over heating which is a common problem with portable systems. I guess I am just a NO TALENT ASS CLOWN which happens to never have system shutdowns do to heat.

HOP
 
Ok A slight change to my madness,


I think all my problems could be related to the 8800 not performing correctly with win xp and directx 10

So I am going to try upgrading to Vista Business version and kepping the 8800 card but add some extra cooling on the card


Will let you know how I get on


Regards


John
 
chibie wrote :
Hero wrote: You don't have a heat problem? No shit. With all that air movement, it's a wonder you can keep the machine from taking off. I am laughing my ass off. I'm sorry, I can't hear you.

Well as I struggle to keep my PC from flying away, I don't have trouble EVER with my system over heating which is a common problem with portable systems. I guess I am just a NO TALENT ASS CLOWN which happens to never have system shutdowns do to heat.

HOP



I went back to my post, and I could not find where I mentioned "NO TALENT ASS CLOWN", in this or any post I have ever written. As a matter of fact, I have never even seen these four words put together that way, until I read your reply. I know I learn something new everyday, just don't see this phrase making it into my vocabulary.

My humor is not for everyone. I can see you are one of them.
 
I am also running a 8800 GTX video card in which I upgraded from a 6800GT. I do some gaming, thats why I got it. It runs so much faster than my 6800GT. First off, do you have both power connecters connected? 1000 watts power supply means ship if you have shity power rails or low amperage. Also, after you delete your video drivers you should use driver cleaner. Try a different driver version for your card, there are a few different versions. I am also running Win XP. Your heat is probably due to poor circulation of air. Believe it or not, a wide open case will run hotter than an enclosed case with proper circulation.
 
Johnnysh,

Sorry I got off track with the subject of the other guys comments... I don't understand why my set up would be amusing and warrant such comments. NUFF SAID....

Anyways, I should of stated that the PHYSICAL SIZE of the card will cause air flow problems because it blocks significant airflow with some cases. This is why I use extra fans to get the airflow right. Some people even go with water based cooling systems but they are complicated and expensive.

I use Vista Home Premium Edition with no problems at all. I believe all Vista Business adds is just added security features which you might not need.

HOP
 


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