groovindj
That's a different plugin.
Posted Sun 19 Jul 20 @ 12:07 pm
Nicotux
TAL Dub 3 is not bad
https://tal-software.com/products/tal-dub
https://tal-software.com/products/tal-dub
Posted Sun 19 Jul 20 @ 12:28 pm
Djratedxxx919
Yea this is what I don't want to do....looking everywhere for a decent basic echo...
Posted Sun 19 Jul 20 @ 11:14 pm
groovindj
You started this thread by saying the built-in "basic" echo wasn't good enough and that you wanted studio or producer standard. Now you want a basic one?
If you want something to exactly suit your needs, it will involve some looking. The chances of a single built-in effect being exactly what you want are slim.
If Atomix change it to be what you want, then it won't be what someone else wants, and round and round it goes.
Perhaps you should take out the $99 per month business license that includes a personal concierge and on-demand customization?
If you want something to exactly suit your needs, it will involve some looking. The chances of a single built-in effect being exactly what you want are slim.
If Atomix change it to be what you want, then it won't be what someone else wants, and round and round it goes.
Perhaps you should take out the $99 per month business license that includes a personal concierge and on-demand customization?
Posted Mon 20 Jul 20 @ 8:28 am
Adion
Would also be useful to know what effect you are exactly trying to achieve and what control you are missing for that
Posted Mon 20 Jul 20 @ 9:02 am
Djratedxxx919
groovindj wrote :
You started this thread by saying the built-in "basic" echo wasn't good enough and that you wanted studio or producer standard. Now you want a basic one?
If you want something to exactly suit your needs, it will involve some looking. The chances of a single built-in effect being exactly what you want are slim.
If Atomix change it to be what you want, then it won't be what someone else wants, and round and round it goes.
Perhaps you should take out the $99 per month business license that includes a personal concierge and on-demand customization?
If you want something to exactly suit your needs, it will involve some looking. The chances of a single built-in effect being exactly what you want are slim.
If Atomix change it to be what you want, then it won't be what someone else wants, and round and round it goes.
Perhaps you should take out the $99 per month business license that includes a personal concierge and on-demand customization?
A basic echo can be a studio echo. You are also one of the one's I had to prove the first bar should be 1:1 you actually had to do a test. So to me you will not understand me on this either.
Posted Mon 20 Jul 20 @ 6:14 pm
Djratedxxx919
Adion wrote :
Would also be useful to know what effect you are exactly trying to achieve and what control you are missing for that
Basically separate strength into feedback and volume parameters giving tighter control of the echo effect.
These are basic echo parameters. It was also part of the user made echoes like echo doppler. The echoes recommended above each have those parameters because they are standard.
It was said above about laying a $99 a month fee, how much to just get this minor edit?
Posted Mon 20 Jul 20 @ 6:33 pm
groovindj
Djratedxxx919 wrote :
I had to prove the first bar should be 1:1 you actually had to do a test
I had to prove the first bar should be 1:1 you actually had to do a test
I'd have to find the thread and check the circumstances, but I know how bars and beats work. I've been using sequencers since the 80s (Yamaha QX5).
Posted Mon 20 Jul 20 @ 7:00 pm
Djratedxxx919
groovindj wrote :
I'd have to find the thread and check the circumstances, but I know how bars and beats work. I've been using sequencers since the 80s (Yamaha QX5).
Djratedxxx919 wrote :
I had to prove the first bar should be 1:1 you actually had to do a test
I had to prove the first bar should be 1:1 you actually had to do a test
I'd have to find the thread and check the circumstances, but I know how bars and beats work. I've been using sequencers since the 80s (Yamaha QX5).
And still couldn't look at them numbers and see it off a bar.
Posted Mon 20 Jul 20 @ 7:12 pm
groovindj
groovindj wrote :
I'd have to find the thread and check the circumstances
I'd have to find the thread and check the circumstances
I know what I know. You don't.
Posted Mon 20 Jul 20 @ 7:26 pm
Djratedxxx919 wrote :
Basically separate strength into feedback and volume parameters giving tighter control of the echo effect.
These are basic echo parameters. It was also part of the user made echoes like echo doppler. The echoes recommended above each have those parameters because they are standard.
It was said above about laying a $99 a month fee, how much to just get this minor edit?
Adion wrote :
Would also be useful to know what effect you are exactly trying to achieve and what control you are missing for that
Basically separate strength into feedback and volume parameters giving tighter control of the echo effect.
These are basic echo parameters. It was also part of the user made echoes like echo doppler. The echoes recommended above each have those parameters because they are standard.
It was said above about laying a $99 a month fee, how much to just get this minor edit?
For the longest time I've wanted to post about VDJ missing parameter (feedback) on the echo effect. Seems to be a huge oversight. The parameter "Strength" only raises or lower the amplitude of the echo. It needs the feedback parameter.
Posted Wed 22 Jul 20 @ 1:44 am
groovindj
Nosven wrote :
"Strength" only raises or lower the amplitude of the echo
"Strength" only raises or lower the amplitude of the echo
No it doesn't. Adjust the parameter and listen.
Posted Wed 22 Jul 20 @ 6:42 am
Djratedxxx919
groovindj wrote :
No it doesn't. Adjust the parameter and listen.
Nosven wrote :
"Strength" only raises or lower the amplitude of the echo
"Strength" only raises or lower the amplitude of the echo
No it doesn't. Adjust the parameter and listen.
Strength seems to be a combination of feedback and volume. So want the echo loud, have to set high strength, it will also be more repeats.
If you don't want 30 second repeats you lower strength, but the volume of the echo also goes down. So having feedback and volume separate you could have shorter repeats and higher volumes.
Posted Wed 22 Jul 20 @ 7:00 am
Djratedxxx919
groovindj wrote :
No it doesn't. Adjust the parameter and listen.
Nosven wrote :
"Strength" only raises or lower the amplitude of the echo
"Strength" only raises or lower the amplitude of the echo
No it doesn't. Adjust the parameter and listen.
Strength seems to be a combination of feedback and volume. So want the echo loud, have to set high strength, it will also be more repeats.
If you don't want 30 second repeats you lower strength, but the volume of the echo also goes down. So having feedback and volume separate you could have shorter repeats and higher volumes.
Echo doppler would be the perfect echo to model after.
Posted Wed 22 Jul 20 @ 7:02 am
Adion
It is only feedback, just like a natural echo (on every reflection the sound is attenuated by the same amount)
Posted Wed 22 Jul 20 @ 7:55 am
Djratedxxx919
Adion wrote :
It is only feedback, just like a natural echo (on every reflection the sound is attenuated by the same amount)
Then add volume as a separate parameter.
Posted Wed 22 Jul 20 @ 2:23 pm
Djratedxxx919 wrote :
Strength seems to be a combination of feedback and volume. So want the echo loud, have to set high strength, it will also be more repeats.
If you don't want 30 second repeats you lower strength, but the volume of the echo also goes down. So having feedback and volume separate you could have shorter repeats and higher volumes.
Echo doppler would be the perfect echo to model after.
groovindj wrote :
No it doesn't. Adjust the parameter and listen.
Nosven wrote :
"Strength" only raises or lower the amplitude of the echo
"Strength" only raises or lower the amplitude of the echo
No it doesn't. Adjust the parameter and listen.
Strength seems to be a combination of feedback and volume. So want the echo loud, have to set high strength, it will also be more repeats.
If you don't want 30 second repeats you lower strength, but the volume of the echo also goes down. So having feedback and volume separate you could have shorter repeats and higher volumes.
Echo doppler would be the perfect echo to model after.
Yes....... you've hit the nail on the head. Their has to be a separation between the echo feedback and the echo volume.
Posted Thu 23 Jul 20 @ 12:41 am
Djratedxxx919
Nosven wrote :
Yes....... you've hit the nail on the head. Their has to be a separation between the echo feedback and the echo volume.
Djratedxxx919 wrote :
Strength seems to be a combination of feedback and volume. So want the echo loud, have to set high strength, it will also be more repeats.
If you don't want 30 second repeats you lower strength, but the volume of the echo also goes down. So having feedback and volume separate you could have shorter repeats and higher volumes.
Echo doppler would be the perfect echo to model after.
groovindj wrote :
No it doesn't. Adjust the parameter and listen.
Nosven wrote :
"Strength" only raises or lower the amplitude of the echo
"Strength" only raises or lower the amplitude of the echo
No it doesn't. Adjust the parameter and listen.
Strength seems to be a combination of feedback and volume. So want the echo loud, have to set high strength, it will also be more repeats.
If you don't want 30 second repeats you lower strength, but the volume of the echo also goes down. So having feedback and volume separate you could have shorter repeats and higher volumes.
Echo doppler would be the perfect echo to model after.
Yes....... you've hit the nail on the head. Their has to be a separation between the echo feedback and the echo volume.
+1
Finally someone understands
Posted Thu 23 Jul 20 @ 2:35 am
groovindj
No there (not "their") doesn't have to be a separation. The echo effect works fine as is. It's not broken. The vast majority of users are not complaining.
If you would like an echo effect with multiple knobs, there are thousands of VST plugins from which to choose.
Many controllers have three FX knobs. VDJ's effects section is switchable between one and three slots. When three slots are selected, that allows one knob per effect.
With just one knob available, which parameter (volume or feedback) should be assigned? You want two, but you've only got one knob.
If you would like an echo effect with multiple knobs, there are thousands of VST plugins from which to choose.
Many controllers have three FX knobs. VDJ's effects section is switchable between one and three slots. When three slots are selected, that allows one knob per effect.
With just one knob available, which parameter (volume or feedback) should be assigned? You want two, but you've only got one knob.
Posted Thu 23 Jul 20 @ 7:57 am
Djratedxxx919
groovindj wrote :
No there (not "their") doesn't have to be a separation. The echo effect works fine as is. It's not broken. The vast majority of users are not complaining.
Not about being broken, just a tad bit better.
Nobody complained about the bar counter being off a bar but it made sense.
groovindj wrote :
If you would like an echo effect with multiple knobs, there are thousands of VST plugins from which to choose.
The stock eq has multiple knobs. The vat you recommended has multiple knobs. 5 to be exact.
groovindj wrote :
Many controllers have three FX knobs. VDJ's effects section is switchable between one and three slots. When three slots are selected, that allows one knob per effect.
With just one knob available, which parameter (volume or feedback) should be assigned? You want two, but you've only got one knob.
With just one knob available, which parameter (volume or feedback) should be assigned? You want two, but you've only got one knob.
Now you just responding to respond.
Some people don't even have controllers, still using just a laptop and mouse, some people using dvs with dvs sound cards and none midi mixers, which ties into my idea about being able to route the output of the echo to both channels 1 and 2 simultaneously gives another set of users post-fader trails continuing after the crossfader has been push to opposite deck. But that's an idea I'm sure is to much.
The thing is I love this software been my only do software sense version 5. I have traitor and serato but don't ever use them. Well I did play with traitor stems a lot but with VDJ stems I've uninstalled traitor completely. But I'm diehard VDJ user and any suggestion is for the benefit of the dj and I haven't been wrong yet. Even after other users back and forth me to death it still ends with the suggestion making sense and the devs understanding it makes sense. I started just like you, well 1985 but same analog equipment era...my suggestion are the " Wish I could" things all of us analog DJs had back then.
Posted Thu 23 Jul 20 @ 1:58 pm
