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djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
24 wres exoun perasei apo ti stigmi pou tin pira sta xeria mou kai mporw na sas metaferw tis prwtes entypwseis.

Prwti entypwsi.
Ti stigmi pou tin blepeis gia prwti fora live, anoigeis to kouti kai les ouaou. Pas nati sikwseis kai ksanales ouaou. Me auto thelw na pw oti tha prepei einai i pio baria kai i pio megali se megethos konsola tis agoras (gia to pio varia eimai sigouros). Auto den kserw an einai thetiko i arnitiko, alla sigoura sou dinei tin entypwsi pws prokeitai gia poly stivari kataskeui. Tha elega pws an den evlepe kaneis to sima tis American Audio, pou parapempei se metrias-kalis poiotitas mixanimata tha mporouses na mperdeuteis.

Egkatastasi.
Piece of cake. Exei ena CD me ena setup pou sou egkathista tous ASIO drivers kai tin VirtualDJLE (6.2). Den anoiksa katholou tin LE, anoiksa kateutheian tin Pro kai fysika itan PLug n Play, toulaxiston oson afora to midi kommati tis konsolas.

Diataksi - Pliktra klp
Parolo to megethos tis ta lastixenia (rubber) koumpia pou diathetei einai sxetika liga (48 ton arithmo). Gia na fantasteite ti ennow liga i AA DMC2 pou exw exei 56 kai einai se megethos ligoteri kai apo to miso. Ta koumpia omws exoun megali apostasi metaksy tous (thetiko). H diataksi episis einai arketa prosegmeni. Ta jog wheels TERASTIA kai VARIA. Kalo gia orismenous kako gia allous. Gousta. Ta koumpia episis exoun mikri diadromi (thetiko), katalavaineis oti to exei patisei (sou kanoun klik dld ..lol) kai i apokrisi tous oso epaiksa mazi tous peran tou ikanopoitikou tha elega.
Sta thetika episis gia ta koumpia prosthetw ton diplo fwtismo orismenwn, ton diaforetiko fwtismo ana omades (allo xrwma ta HotCues, allo ta Loop klp), alla episis kai to gegonos, oti an eksaireseis ta 3 vasika koumpia (PLAY-STOP-CUE) ola ta ypoloipa den exoun tis etiketes twn leitourgiwn panw sta koumpia alla panw stin epifaneis tis konsolas. Kai giati einai thetiko auto? Giati poly apla mporeis na mappareis tin konsola opws thes kai meta na ftiakseis ena skin (autokolito) kai na tin fereis sta metra sou.
Se skoteines katastaseis o fwtismos twn pliktrwn kai twn faders sou dinei arketi asfaleia stin anazitisi twn pliktrwn.
Sta 48 koumpia pou vevaia ginontai sxedon diplasia an ypologisei kaneis tis SHIFT leitourgies (pou omws den einai kai panta toso leitourgikes), prepei kaneis na prosthesei kai ta 27 round knobs. Ta EQ round knobs exoun klik sti mesi (thetiko) kai einai elafrws fwtizomena.
Ta pitch sliders tha ta ithela ligo megalytera, me vasi to megethos tis konsolas. Den sou dinoun kai tin kalyteri aisthsisi.
Ta level sliders, ok. To crossfader .... epieikws aparadekto. Paaara poly skliro. Gia grigores allages kai scratch oute syzitisi. H AA vevaia ypostirizei oti mporeis na allakseis crossfaders kai na valeis kapoio innofader pou apo oti diavasa einai koryfi, alla den eimai sigouros poso kostizoun auta..anyway an exw alles plirofories tha postarw en kairw...
Stin mesi tis konsolas vrisketai ena MouseTouchPad me diataksi san auti enos laptop, alla peite pws den yparxei. Den kserw (den exw vrei akoma) an ginetai na megalwseis tin euaisthisia tou TouchPAd alla an den mporeis, einai axristo.
Metaksy twn jogs kai twn level faders yparxoun 2 TouchSliders, pou mporeis na mappareis san FX Sliders i san SongPos (navigation through song), alla i thesi tous einai arketa strimvgmeni kai einai xwmena anamesa sta psila jogs kai ta level sliders. Gia song pos oute syzitisi einai poly epikyndini i thesi tous (ena poly apalo aggigma kai exei fygei to tragoudi). Gia FX sliders den einai asxima. H leitourgia tous episis (ending encoders) den sou epitrepei na ta mappareis san browser scroll.

Leitourgies
H VMS4 einai mia kathari tetrakanali konsola. Diathetei mia karta 8out, eisodo gia 2 MIC me EQ kai VOl se kathe ena apo auta (poly xrisima gia karaoke) 3band EQ gia ola ta kanalia, eisodous Line-Phono (se 2 apo auta) kai tin dynatotita na gyriseis LIVE xwris problima opoiodipote apo auta apo MIdi se analogiko. kai to anapodo.
Dinw ligo vasi sto analogiko kommati. Ypirxe i entypwsi pws o miktis tis VMS4 einai mono analogikos kai oti midi einai mono ta decks. Allwste kai o default mapper exei ola ta eksartimata tou mikti san fake assigned (fake EQ, Fake Crossfaders fake level klp) To fake einai mia leitourgia tis Ver 7 pou enswmatwthike gia controllers san autous me analogiko mikti, wste esyna kounas to level sto deck 1, kai to antistoixo fader sto skin na kounietai alla na min epireazetai o ixos apo to software. Me liga logia, to EQ tis VMS4 einai ypeuthyno gia ton ixo kai oxi to EQ tou software.
Auto omws den einai monimo. Mporeis na to allkseis kai na kaneis ton controller na einai kathari midi syskeui akoma kai to kommati tou mikti.
Patwntaw ena sygkekrimeno koumpi kai dinontas power stin konsola mpainei se katastasi Pre EQ opws legetai kai etsi i konsola metatrepetai kata voulisi pote se kathari midi syskeui kai pote se hybrid (midi ta decks kai analogue o miktis).
Auto fysika sygkatalegetai sta poly thetika simeia tis konsolas dioti analoga me to software pou trexeis allote theleis to EQ tou software kai allote oxi.

Syndeseis
Mporeis na syndeseis stin VMS4 4 analogikes syskeues (cdieres pikap klp) kai na tin leitourgiseis san 4kanalo mikti. Opoia kanalia apo ta 4 theleis mporeis na ta gyriseis se midi (me diakoptes) kai na epikoinwnisoun (xeiristoun) decks apo software. H karta ixou apo 8out mporei na ginei 4out4in kai na syndeseis 2 timecodes mazi me ta 2 midi software decks. Ara exeis polles epiloges, se opoio setup ki an katalikseis i vretheis.

Apodosi
Edw exoun akoustei polla gia tin poiotita alla kyriws gia tin entasi tou ixou. Dystixws tin dokimasa mono spiti (isws paiksw aurio live) kai auta pou tha grapsw ta grafw me epifylaksi.
Sta akoustika den yparxei provlima. O ixos einai arketa dynatos. Se sxetika mikri entasi pou tin dokimasa den eixa poiotiko provlima, einai gegonos omws oti paizei ligo xamilotera apo kapoies alles. Auto vevaia den einai provlima. Allwste den mporeis na exeis apaitisi megalis entasis ixou apo mia konsola. Tin entasi tha tin vreis ston enisxyti. Me ta levels kai to master sto 100%, paramorfwsi den katalava.
Sta mikrofwna yparxei ena themataki me paramorfwsi (akougetai ena ixos san na leipei i geiwsi bzzz), alla kapou diavasa oti yparxoun adaptores-filtra gia auti ti douleia. Paizei rollo vevaia kai to eidos tou mikrofwnou pou xrisimopoies. Pantws entasi yparxei poly, tha elega poly perissoteri kai apo auti pou vgainei apo ta decks.

Leitourgia VirtualDJ
An mappareis swsta tin konsola tote exeis ena kalo ergaleio. Ta koumpia einai super, ta jogs tha sas kalypsoun akoma kai gia scratch, kai an den eisai crossfader dj tote sigoura exei skanei kali agora. To mapping einai ligo tricky, opoios thelei mporei na diavasei sto antistoixo topic sto Hardware FOrum. Ekei exw grapsei polla pou aforoun to mapping. Pantws gia ola yparxoun lyseis.
 

Posted Fri 12 Nov 10 @ 2:31 pm
djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
Na symplirwsw kati gia to megethos. To platos tis einai dystixws ligo megalytero apo 19" ara oi pithanotites na xwresei se mia rack case einai zero. Exw 3 balitses 19" kai dystixws prepei na parw tetarti. Den vgazw pote mia konsola eksw an den mpei prwta se case, gi auto kai isws argisw na paiksw live me tin VMS4. Ara test ston ixo isws argisw na exw.

Symperasma
Opws ola ta proionta tis AmericanAudio, etsi kai i VMS4 einai best value for money. Parola ta meionektimata pou mporei na exei se sxesi me ton aantagonismo (DENON MC6000 kai NI S4) i timi tis einai poly elkystiki.

Sta thetika
- H euxereia pou exeis na kaneis oti setup theleis (Midi-Analogue)
- Ta koumpia
- H kali kai stoivari kataskeui
- To poly xamilo latency (sxedon 2-4 ms)
- H timi tis
- Ta touchsensitive jogs

Sta arnitika
- To crossfader
- O thoryvos apo tis eisodous twn mikrofwnwn
- H xamili entasi stin eksodo (oxi aparaitita kako omws)
 

Posted Fri 12 Nov 10 @ 2:35 pm
Poly kalo review Mpampi , alla ostoso perimenoume kai tis live entyposeis sou.
Prosopika apo ta arnitika gia mena tha kratiso to crossfader , pou gia mena opos leitourgo kai paizo , (mexri tora dmc2 kai miktis), einai simantiko.
Ayto omologo kapos me xalase.
Episis simantiko ti ginetai telika pes mas me to touch , kai me poion tropo telika psaxneis stous fakelous kai fortoneis ta deck.
Telos to ligo megalitero apo 19' einai kai ayto kapos arnitiko , pos tha mpei sto flight case?
Telika tha meino me tin dmc2 kai ton mikti?
Apo tin alli glikokoitazo tin denon , alla kanei kai ta diplasia.
Alla oti plironeis pairneis , vevaia , kai den allazeis kai kathe mera konsoles.
Prepei na vro kai kanena review kai gi'aytin.
Alla min ksefeygo apo to topic , perimeno pos kai pos kai alles entiposeis sou mpampi , opos eipa kai live , kai eidikotera gia to crossfader.
 

Posted Fri 12 Nov 10 @ 3:57 pm
thanks gia tis prwtes entypwseis, pragmatika elpizw kai se perisotera & pio leptomerh sxoleia apo sena se pragmatikes synthikes xrhshs.

photo den mas evales telika! (allo pragma h dikia sou!)

apo pou thn agorases? timh?

kai fysika kalorizikh & kalodouleuth gia mia akoma fora!
 

Posted Fri 12 Nov 10 @ 5:33 pm
apopsisdjPRO InfinitySenior staffMember since 2003
Mpampi apo oti thymame stin Bpm to crossfader mia xara douleye, h toulaxiston tha to thymomouna an eixe problima.
Kai oute diabasa kapoion sto forum na paraponietai gia ayto.
Mipos apla thelei ligo ...strosimo pou einai kainourgio, h mipos epeses se kaki partida ?..
Enan dikanalo mikti AA QD-5 pou exo edo (proteinete gia scratch) kai exei optical fader einai apsogo kainourgio alla kolaei kapos meta apo kapoia xrisi kai ayto to exo diabasei kai se alla forum, gia ayton ton mikti (xoris omos na exei problima o hxos, kai ayto to synithizeis)
Mipos einai to idio kai sou dosan demo-doulemeni vms4 ?

Telos, sou proteino na baleis ta diafani lastixa sta jog pou kanoun to jog na douleyei opos ta cdj. vinyl mode me to touch kai bend eksoterika.
Kai na min ta bgaleis... kapoios ta ebgale stin bpm kai den mporousa na ta balo sosta opos htan mpainan olo strava alla isos htan kai h piesi xronou...

A... ta jogs einai kentrarismena h parakentra ? oxi pos epireazei se kati tin apodosi auto
 

Posted Fri 12 Nov 10 @ 6:10 pm
djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
Innersense wrote :
apo pou thn agorases? timh?

Tin pira apo artsound 375 euros. + 8 metaforika courier

Photos? Mou vazeis dyskola, alla kati tha kanw..

 

Posted Fri 12 Nov 10 @ 6:33 pm
djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
apopsis wrote :
Mpampi apo oti thymame stin Bpm to crossfader mia xara douleye, h toulaxiston tha to thymomouna an eixe problima.
Kai oute diabasa kapoion sto forum na paraponietai gia ayto.
Mipos apla thelei ligo ...strosimo pou einai kainourgio, h mipos epeses se kaki partida ?..

Mou vazeis fwties twra. Otan lew skliro to crossfader, tou dineis mia me to daxtylo kai den paei stin alli meria. Mipws na riksw kana sprey? Den kserw tha riksw enatilefwno stin Artsound ti Deutera, kalou kakou.
Demo den einai. Perimena 5 meres mexri na paralaboun.

apopsis wrote :
Telos, sou proteino na baleis ta diafani lastixa sta jog pou kanoun to jog na douleyei opos ta cdj. vinyl mode me to touch kai bend eksoterika.
Kai na min ta bgaleis... kapoios ta ebgale stin bpm kai den mporousa na ta balo sosta opos htan mpainan olo strava alla isos htan kai h piesi xronou...

Ma kai xwris ta lastixa to idio kanei, otan to pianeis stis akres kanei vinyl mode, otan to pianeis eswterika kanei pitch bend.

apopsis wrote :
A... ta jogs einai kentrarismena h parakentra ? oxi pos epireazei se kati tin apodosi auto

Kai ta 2 einai parakentra, ligo omws xanoun peripou 1 mm. Tha to katalaveis mono an to koitakseis. Sto feeling den exei diafora.

[EDIT] Ta lastixa ta evala, den itan kati to spoudaio, ithele to kolpaki tou. Omologw oti me ta lastixa exei kalytero feeling sto piasimo, alla einai panasxima ta atima..xaxax

 

Posted Fri 12 Nov 10 @ 6:39 pm
apopsisdjPRO InfinitySenior staffMember since 2003
djdad wrote :

Otan lew skliro to crossfader, tou dineis mia me to daxtylo kai den paei stin alli meria.

Twra eimai mposta ston pioneer djm-800 kai einai to idio. Kai ta faders einai akoma pio sfixta.
Den einai problima ayto isa isa exeis kalytero elegxo, (alloste ...merikoi to proteimoun ...sfixto.. to fader..)
To problima tha einai an 'kolaei'
Sprey min rixneis me tipota se kainourgio mikti... tou meioneis tin deiarkeia zohs kai mporei na petyxeis to antitheto apotelesma.

djdad wrote :

Ma kai xwris ta lastixa to idio kanei, otan to pianeis stis akres kanei vinyl mode, otan to pianeis eswterika kanei pitch bend.

Den se katalabaino edo, to antitheto apo oti les prepei na einai kai ayto ginetai me ta lastixa.
Exeis doulepsei pioneer cdj se vinyl mode ?
 

Posted Fri 12 Nov 10 @ 6:58 pm
djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
Opa, nai... lathos, den mporousa na fantastw pws mporei ena lastixo na allaksei tin symperifora tou jog. Naaiiiii etsi einai kalytera. Swstos o Giwrgos !!!


[EDIT]..Twwwwwra douleuoun swsta... kai einai teleia. Einai touch sensitive. Molis ta akoumpiseis kai oso ta kratas patimena to deck stamataei. To kalo einai episis oti apo ti stigmi pou ta afiseis, ksekinaei amesws. latency mideniki tha elega. Kai sto backspin exei kali symperifora, den kanei diakopes ston ixo molis stamatisei to piswgyrisma.
 

Posted Fri 12 Nov 10 @ 7:03 pm
apopsisdjPRO InfinitySenior staffMember since 2003
Oute ego mporo na katalabo pos to lastoixo allazei to jog, auto tha to anakalypseis esy pou tin exeis.
Diladi xoris to lastoixo kanei to antitheto ?

Oso gia rack 19'' exo dei fotografies pou tin xorane mesa, mipos yparxei tropos ? px na sfinosei kapws xoris bides ?
 

Posted Fri 12 Nov 10 @ 8:34 pm
djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
apopsis wrote :
Oute ego mporo na katalabo pos to lastoixo allazei to jog, auto tha to anakalypseis esy pou tin exeis.
Diladi xoris to lastoixo kanei to antitheto ?

Oso gia rack 19'' exo dei fotografies pou tin xorane mesa, mipos yparxei tropos ? px na sfinosei kapws xoris bides ?


Osos ki an den to pisteueis, nai kanei to antitheto. Ti na pw, profanws exei kapoio aisthtira varous, tin ora pou tin anoigeis, leei allwste to manual, otan tin anoigeis na min akoumpane tipota panw sta jogs. Mallon auto einai, den mporw na dwsw alli eksigisi.

Oxi den xwraei me tipota. Oi eswterikes diastaseis tou Rack apo raga se raga einai 44,7 ek. H VMS4 eiani 46ek. Tha prepei dld na vgalw tis rages kai na brw tropo na ti stiriksw. Sto case mpainei alla xwris tis rages. Yparxei case opws to thelw me syrtari gia laptop gia tin VMS4, alal den einai diathesimi akoma kai exei kana 150-180ari.

[EDIT] Episis to proivlima entopizetai sto mprostino meros. Thelei rack me mprostino apospwmeno meros, gia na exeis prosvasi. Opote ektos apo tis rages prepei na tis vgalw kai ta matia.
 

Posted Fri 12 Nov 10 @ 9:24 pm
artsound e? autoi thn eixan 349 otan eixe protoerthei...

mou fainetai periergo pandws pou pwleite akoma mono se tria (hlektronika) katasthmata sthn ellada. opws epishs kai enoxlhtikh einai h diafora timhs pou parateirhte se athina-thesalonikh...

gia ta diafanh lastixakia sta jogs kai egw exw kapoies aisthitikes antiriseis kai tha protimousa na to eixan lysei kapws alliws to thema...

mia erwthsh gia thn egkatastash... giati thn ekanes apo to cd? meta ta parapona oti prepei na egkatastathei mazi me thn LE gia na mpei o asio, h AA eixe vgalei xexwrista ton asio driver sto site ths kai malista xexwristo arxeio gia 32 kai 64 bit...
 

Posted Sat 13 Nov 10 @ 1:15 am
mpravo gia to review dad, poly xrhsimo!

mia erwthsh: to touchpad p exei sth mesh einai MIDI assignable? giati 8a volevei na ana8eseis dyo parametrous fx, wste na ta xeirizesai sygxronws.
epishs, 8a einai kalh idea na mappareis tis dyo lwrides afhs pou yparxoun se ka8e deck, etsi wste na kaneis perihghsh sto track alla mono otan to track einai stamathmeno. logika 8a yparxei tetoia dynatothta (st traktor toulaxiston ginetai me modifiers).
 

Posted Sat 13 Nov 10 @ 7:27 am
alexmakPRO InfinityMember since 2009
mpravo dj dad gia to review!! exo 2 erotisis.. 1 san kanonikos analogikos mixtis ta eq faders k ola auta litourgoun san enan mixti kanoniko i ine xirotera.. k 2 auta ta lastixakia pou lete ti ine? thnks!
 

Posted Sat 13 Nov 10 @ 8:37 am
Η VMS4 χρησιμοποιεί τεχνολογία capacitive στα jogs για να καταλάβει το "touch". Έτσι, στον εξωτερικό δακτύλιο του jog έχει ένα διαφανές λάστιχο να τα καλύπτει ώστε όταν το χέρι σου ακουμπάει εκεί να μπορείς να κάνεις bend χωρίς touch. Σε διαφορετική περίπτωση θα έκανε μόνιμα scratch.
 

Posted Sat 13 Nov 10 @ 10:00 am
djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
Innersense wrote :
mia erwthsh gia thn egkatastash... giati thn ekanes apo to cd? meta ta parapona oti prepei na egkatastathei mazi me thn LE gia na mpei o asio, h AA eixe vgalei xexwrista ton asio driver sto site ths kai malista xexwristo arxeio gia 32 kai 64 bit...


Den to eixa dei auto. Ekana meta firmware update kai katevasa ksana tous drivers na dw an autoi pou ypirxan mesa sto cd itan oi freskioi. Genika protimaw to CD pou synodeuei tin konsola,akoma ki an kserw oti yparxie update.

 

Posted Sat 13 Nov 10 @ 5:22 pm
djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
leonidassr wrote :
mpravo gia to review dad, poly xrhsimo!

mia erwthsh: to touchpad p exei sth mesh einai MIDI assignable? giati 8a volevei na ana8eseis dyo parametrous fx, wste na ta xeirizesai sygxronws.
epishs, 8a einai kalh idea na mappareis tis dyo lwrides afhs pou yparxoun se ka8e deck, etsi wste na kaneis perihghsh sto track alla mono otan to track einai stamathmeno. logika 8a yparxei tetoia dynatothta (st traktor toulaxiston ginetai me modifiers).


Vasika exw ksekinisei kai ftiaxnw ksana to Definitioin File kai meta tha erthei kai mapper. TO paketo tha to anevasw sta plugins. Gia na parete mia idea, sto default Definition File den exounmpei san leitourgies toulaxiston 10 syndyasmoi koumpiwn pou dinoun diuaforetiko midi signal.

Gia ta stripes (songpos) nai yparxei tropos otan to tragoudi paizei na kleidwnoun..kali idea.
Gia to to touchpad, dystixws den einai midi assigned, einai kati eswteriko. Psaxnw toulaxiston na vrw kapoia parametro gia tin euaisthisia. Mallon tha koitaksw mesw windows.



 

Posted Sat 13 Nov 10 @ 5:26 pm
djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
alexmak wrote :
mpravo dj dad gia to review!! exo 2 erotisis.. 1 san kanonikos analogikos mixtis ta eq faders k ola auta litourgoun san enan mixti kanoniko i ine xirotera.. k 2 auta ta lastixakia pou lete ti ine? thnks!


Dustixws den exw akoma testarei ton ixo me megalis entasis systima. ME to mikro pou exw spiti, exw tin entypwsi oti to EQ tou analogikou mikti einaikalytero apo auto tou VDJ. To idio nomizw kai genika o ixos. Alla epifylasomai na apantisw gia ton ixo syntoma.

To pio pithano einai aurio (Kyriaki) pou exw day-night off, na stisw sto spiti to megalo systima, kai na tarakounisw ligo ti geitonia ..lol
 

Posted Sat 13 Nov 10 @ 5:28 pm
Στο vci έχεις τον σενσορα από πάνω του ένα στογγυλο κομμάτι πλεξι γκλας και από πάνω βιδωνει ένα μεταλικο κυκλικό. Ουσιαστικά ο touch είναι κάτι σαν να κλείνει κύκλωμα με το δέρμα .αν είναι έτσι και το δικό σου θα μπορείς να κατασκευασεις τα δικά σου jogs και αυτή σκέφτομαι να είναι η επόμενη παρέμβαση στο vci
 

Posted Sat 13 Nov 10 @ 5:33 pm
djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
Den yparxei periptwsi na paremvw sta jogs, einia mia xara. Ta lastixa arxizw kai ta synithizw. Allwste sto skotadi oute pou fainontai. Stin VCi an thymamai kala, o tropos pou einai ftiagmnena me autes tis bides apo panw einai san na sou leei allakse me.
 

Posted Sat 13 Nov 10 @ 5:46 pm
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